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3/7/10

No more comment moderation

Dear friends,

I will be away for a few months because of some issues that need my attention. I have therefore removed the requirement for comment moderation. All posts will appear instantaneously. The only difference is that "anonymous" posts are not possible now. Any registered user (Gmail, Google, OpenID, facebook, wordpress, blogger etc) will be able to post instantaneously. Only anonymous posts are disallowed to prevent spam and hate filled posts.

I am aware that Hindutva and Panun Kashmir fanatics will abuse this privilege and start to spew hate filled comments, but that is a price we are willing to pay to showcase Kashmiri tolerance.

In solidarity,

Yousuf

I recommend you also visit the following blogs while I am away:

>>Chinaar's blog
>>Kashmir Center's blog





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636 comments:

  1. Yousuf
    It will be quite difficult to bear your absence from the blogsphere. Hope you will return soon. We will definitely try our best to fill the gap created by your absence. By the way all the anonymous threes and fours will have to face us before they can spread their lies over your blog. Be assured your blog is well guarded. Take care!

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  2. I become quite paranoid when a kashmiri blogger disappears for a few months.

    Stay safe yousuf and best wishes.

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  3. Gopal and the Kashmiri

    1. Kashmiri bloggers express desire for independence from both Pak and India.

    2. Indian posters are appalled and try to shame them about their lack of patriotism for shining india.

    3. KB's explain to Gopal that the kashmiris are their own nation and they want liberation from the occupation of 'slumdogs'

    4. Gopal is shocked. The slumdog part he understands. He just can't fathom why anybody would not want to be in a union with mother india. He is paralyzed until a life-saving reflex kicks in, Gopal invokes the pakijtan reflex.

    5. Gopal declares "Do you want to be part of Pakijtan which is like sub-saharan africa? versus India which is like an advanced version of switzerland?

    6. To this KB's say "We don't care about India, we don't care about pakistan. we want independence from both!"

    7. "Ahh" gopal says. This is my opporjunity. He invokes the "India shining" mantra. A long, boring, redundant, repetitive and dull speech ensues. By the time it is done, India has attained a level 5 civilization where their minibuses can reach warp speed, they have colonized planet ur-anus and their scientists can control the weather. By the end of the post, Gopal has worked himself up into a nationalist orgasm and ejaculates all over his keyboard. With a satisfied smile, Gopal thinks he has impressed the kashmiri. Why wouldn't the kashmiri want India ? We have call centers!

    8. The kashmiri doesn't actually read the whole post (he has heard it before, we have all heard it before). The kashmiri simply says I don't care about your MNC's, i don't care if your hand-pulled rickshaws are now made of titanium, i don't care about your ceremonial president's ethnicity, i don't care if pakistan is in the dark ages, i don't care if great emperor Chutiyapas of 23rd century b.c. controlled all of Eurasia and Mars, I don't care if your GDP per capita divided by purchasing power multiplied by the quotient of a monkey's ass is higher than Brunei. I just want independence from your brutal slumdog occupation.

    9. Gopal is perplexed. This is not going to be a walk in the slum. The advent of the internet has opened up channels of communication. Even these dastardly kashmiris can have a voice. Uver media can't sugarcoat their suffering nor snuff out their righteous cause. What is to be done Gopal says to himself. These irritants mean bijnish and by bijnish I mean non-profitable, amnesty international type of bijnish. Most stinging is the kashmiris measured yet kind words for Pakistan. Pakistan! the devil incarnate! The same Paksitan that invaded masoom india in 1948 and took away an integral part of India. No more mr. nice slumdog, gopal says to himself. Gopal is furious. Even as the kashmiris declare they don't want to join Pakistan, gopal has been enraged. Gopal will now leave personality #1 (the nice, generous, kind, submissive call-Center Gopal) and morph into Super Gopi (the hegemonic, irrational and stubborn superstate Indian armed with.... The Wikipedia).

    (to be continued)

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  4. @Paksolidarity..

    Wow wow wow...ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha.....more more more...I want more of your write ups......it brought a genuine smile on my usually distraught face.

    Thank you so much brother.....thank u

    Regards

    A Kashmiri

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  5. paksolidarity;

    Lot of humour in para 7 and 8 gave me a big laugh. yet very articulate, in these few lines you have very well and I really appreciate, summed up 62 years of Indian hegemonic, cunning attitude in addressing Kashmir dispute. Keep it up!

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  6. this is awesome;

    "don't care if great emperor Chutiyapas of 23rd century b.c. controlled all of Eurasia and Mars, I don't care if your GDP per capita divided by purchasing power multiplied by the quotient of a monkey's ass is higher than Brunei. I just want independence from your brutal slumdog occupation."

    each time i read it i cant stop laughing;-

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  8. @paksolidarity

    you are absolutely very creative minded.

    as you said some chankiya had some several hundred billion years ago ruled eurasia and mars and dharam kay pujaris led by foreign Italian hand and with the help international call centre, languru in collaboration with cyber revolution of India had proved Darwin’s theory of Evolution non life to life from mars to earth. Another big achievement of this neti is that when you look from mars to earth look like zero “0”, so zero was discovered by this Chaikaya neti. It were Hindo-Aryans who sent first satellite to mars named Aryabatta in billion ton years ago when life was non existent. further achievements are the invention of thrushul bombas missiles.

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  9. Really a treat to read. Indians must be dying with anger.
    All those Indians who are often busy with patriotic masturbation do not acheive nationalistic orgasm easily. Ejaculating on their call center keyboards is a routine affair with India Shining Drum Beater's Organisation. The fact that those who teach us how to put an english knot on an Italian tie do only have a one pair of chaddi banyan and a pair of rubber chappals at their disposal. No they ofcourse, can afford to buy another pair of Chaddi Baniyan but they have no place to put those extra garments in. Afterall the baskets in which these call center labourers sleep in on the pavements of Donghri has been designed for only one human body at a time. No place for extra items. I wonder how these rodents manage to multiply in these divisible conditions.

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  10. uffffffffffffff... I have tried my best in my previous posts to counter propaganda.... I now dont have the energy or the inclination and most importantly the TIME to think and come up with poetic riddles like the above.

    Because I am not filled with HATRED. (By the way even I couldn't help laughing reading the posts thinking to what extent your thought patterns could go)

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  11. Dear Mystic

    Look enough riddles and mysteries have been written above.

    A very simple question and I need a genuine answer. Which clause in largest democracy of world you claim is written that you can forcefully hold 11 million inhabitants at gun point and turn it into world largest concentration camp and militarized places as per Guinness book of world records. You cannot force Kashmiris if they don’t want to be part of your multi national group. Now you will say it is only Kashmir valley and 02 and a half district of Jammu and 50,000 souls living in tiny Leh city are with India. If we believe in democracy let them be, let them be the part of your corporate world and let kashmiris free.

    Above is anger and frustration, which likes of freedom loving C.Shekher Azad and Bhagat singh can only understand.

    What India has in Kashmir only 7,00,000 armed powered with draconian laws called AFASA, just to nab 350 armed militants of which 25% are unarmed, who have no guns to fight as per latest figure given by Indian police authorities that is a proof India wants to blackmail kashmiris on gunpoint and yet you teach us democracy, equality what not……Are you not ashamed of being the citizen of this enterprise?

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  12. this big bang.....

    " All those Indians who are often busy with patriotic masturbation do not acheive nationalistic orgasm easily."

    non stop laughter ... even sulking looking mystic cant stop laughing!!!

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  13. NEW WEAPONS OF KASHMIRI TERRORIST Bastards!!!!
    It's 7 PM, OMAR SINGH has just made himself comfortable by pouring a relaxing nip of scotch into a fine crystal glass that his mother had brought for him some time ago and now wants to spend the rest of the evening talking about domestic non-sense with Mrs.Singh when the sudden thundering roar startles/deafens him, shakes his bones and sends his glass of limited edition Johny Walker tumbling down the bar-table. "Oww Shit" says an aghast Omar Singh...."what now"...."can't these freakin peasants ever let a man have his vice in peace".Just Yesterday, Omar Singh had to go and seek an appointment with one of the valleys top ENT surgeons cause his eardrums have started to act funny.

    The eerie silence of the night shattered by a deafening roar of a thousand lions.....is nothing but the new found weapon of Kashmiris, yes after a prolonged spate of hartal upon hartals which just seemed to hurt no one but Kashmiris in particular, the Kashmiris have now sought out a new weapon to deal with the Indian occupation of Kashmir. This weapon had been in the making for some time but needed various improvisations before it could be put to practice. After due deliberations by Sulla hajaam,Nabir Joo,Moma Bishkan and others it was decided that the weapon should finally be put to use against the Indian occupation. As aptly put forth by chief of the Northern Command General Haibat Advani,The Kashmiris now have started a GUN-LESS revolution which is being funded by the ISI and supported by organizations like Harkat and Lashkar-e-Toiba, Needless to say India is comprehending whether to move the UN security council on the issue of noise pollution, Indians however continue to suppress this Gun-less revolution with bullets,RPG's and extra-judicial killings. The Prime Minister of India, Shri Hitleresh Mussolinikar has categorically stated that India can only talk to the Kashmiri bastards if they stop their gun-less revolution and prostitute themselves to the Indian union.

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  14. continued....


    Try as they might, the Indian war machinery and their intelligence units like RAW(RADICALIZED Asinine/Ano-rectal Warmongers)have been completely unsuccessful in combating this new Kashmiri weapon of massive audibility. The Indian army has now threatened that it will come down heavily on those miscreants who do not let them sleep peacefully after 8pm. At the Unified Central Command meeting today chaired jointly by the Home Minister P Chanakyam and defense minister A Kootneetie, it was decided that the sale of Tin roofs to J&K state will be henceforth stopped. All Kashmiris having Tin roofs will be notified of the central governments decision to prosecute all state-subjects who fail to bring down their tin roofs within the next 15 days. A general amnesty upto mid summer has been granted to people having tin roofs in the far flung areas of Gurez, Kargil and Kupwara etc as it will be extremely difficult for them to bring down their roofs in time due to a severe harsh winter with so much snow on top of their tin roofs that they cannot beat them at all. Failure to bring down their tin roofs and subsequent installation of new environment friendly heavily subsidized fibre-glass roofs (with a very low noise coefficient) will result in the prosecution of Kashmiris under the Noise pollution act of the Indian penal code. Meanwhile the Indian army will continue to use young Kashmiri boys as target practice and their MIG/Sukhoi fighter jets will be flying ever so low around population centers in order to break the sound barrier.

    The bad news is that these Kashmiri terrorist bastards will never learn, just today a leading Kashmiri bastard leader (Syed A Strong Gairatani) has asked the people to protest against Indian atrocities by beating their roofs full throttle around 10pm.....exactly when Omar Singh, Farook Azmi and their family are fast asleep.

    Now the Million Dollar Question is that after all these harsh serious steps taken by the Indian army n central command, WHAT DO YOU THINK THESE KASHMIRI TERRORIST BASTARDS WILL DO TONIGHT? WILL THEY BANG THEIR ROOFS AT EXACTLY 10 PM or WILL THEY FIRST WATCH THEIR FAVORITE SOAP OPERA ON ONE OF THEIR FAVORITE INDIAN CHANNELS AND THEN BANG THEIR ROOFS AROUND 11 PM?

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  15. Jhiya,

    I am giving you a genuine answer, I am not exactly against independence and the kashmiri right for self determination. I am just against certain false propaganda and hate words. I am infact somewhat in favour of a plebicite something similar to what was suggested by Subbaiah Biddanda in a previous post where you divide J & K and Pakistan side of Kashmir into different parts and hold a referendum and I aggree that the Kashmir valley and Pakistan part of Kashmir will opt for Independence, Northen area will opt Pakistan and Ladak, Kargil and Jammu will opt for India. I can understand what pain it is to being checked by security people every time that too by people you hate. What can be done? They have to do their duty for national security...

    However at the same time I think of how extremely difficult it is for India to give independence for the below reasons:

    1. Independence to Kashmir will lead to the intensifying of separatist moments elsewhere. Outfits like ULFA will become more violent and killings will increase.

    2. There will be no gaurentee that the terrorist attacks and bomb blasts will stop as the terrorists have made their intention clear about Hyderabad, fatepur sikri etc irrespective of its Hindu majority population. The cowardly Terrorist attacks on civilian targets is extremely difficult to stop as they have an element of surprise and more so in India as their facial features are similar to Indians.

    3. Independence to Kashmir can become a security nightmare for India something similar to Nepal and Bangladesh where terrorists operate in their soil.

    4. The Himalayan mountains of Kashmir have acted as a protective wall since ages against foreign attacks and invasion against India and militant infiltration.

    5. Since years have lapsed an independence at this stage will look as a major foreign policy defeat for India. You guys and Pakistan will make it look more so like a defeat for India.

    6. Most Indians especially the illiterates dont know the ground realities such as the histroy of accession by the King Hari Singh etc. They believe that Kashmir was supposed to be a part of India during partition itself. An independence will lead to a major national dissolutionment/ regret.

    7. This will lead the ruling party not to win any election in future. Opposition party will also make it a big issue for vote bank. Which major party in India is so selfless to risk loss of power for decades to come. (Vajpayee was selfless to an extent and wanted to genuinely resolve the dispute but he was back stabbed by Mussaruf the then army chief in the form of Kargil invasion immediately after his visit to Pakistan.

    If the above concerns are addressed, I don't see a reason why India will not move ahead with a plebisite.

    Things would have been so good if the plebisite would have happened right in the beginning when Nehru promised it. I dont understand why Pakistan failed to reduce troops as per UN requirement.

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  16. @ Mystic India,

    "I dont understand why Pakistan failed to reduce troops as per UN requirement."

    Why do you have to bring Pakistan into everything, anyways the Pakistani establishment has gone on record a multiple number of times that its ready for troop withdrawal under UN supervision if India does so too. It is India which has refused again n again......

    N now Gopal will again tell us how Pakistan invaded n how they did not withdraw so that India could've captured the whole state n made a bigger Akhand Bharat.......Before u go hallucinatin again.....remember Musharaffs 4 point formula/proposal contains the exactly the same thing i.e. troop withdrawal by both India n Pakistan........bottomline-THE SLUMMIES stalled the whole thing n now they say that even Afghanistan belongs to India.

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  17. Book 2 "Rise of the Gopi"

    10. Callcenter Gopal has mutated into tSuper-Gopi. The insult to india's honor must be avenged. Gopi has fully mobilized. 10,000 jawan braves (hritik roshan look-alikes) have been pojitioned on india's 1600 mile border with Mordor (pakistan) and its 160 million orcs. Arjun tanks with trishul canons are armed and ready to fight pakistan's armored donkey-carts. Completely indigenous, fifth-generation, fighter jets with an uncanny resemblance to the russian Migs are scrambled to combat pakistanis on their flying camels.

    11. Another 1 million braves are pojishuned shtrutejikally in the kashmir valley to 'protect' unarmed kashmiri civilians from unarmed kashmiri civilians. There is no native indpendence movement, only 350 brainwashed, non-kashmiri super-militants from Karachi's subzee bazaar. The kashmiris rejoice and kiss good-looking bollywood heroes for protecting them from the phantom occupation force of talibanistan. To show appreciation, handsome indian captain breaks into a synchronized song-and-dance number, gori-gori kashmiris join them. even the ugly extras in the back get a dancing partner. (Coincidentally, dance marks the 1 millionth time, michael jackson's dance routine has been plagiarized).

    12. Meanwhile, from the black land of shadows (rawalpindi), Sauron (ISI chief) looks down upon his legions of orcs ready to pounce upon the city of shirepur, cyberabad, slumgarh and the crown jewel.. opensewerabad. No doubt using teleportation devices provided by Beijing, they trasport orc agents disguised as dalits, maoists, assamese, sikhs, kashmiris to forment non-existent separatist movements. In fact, two of gopal's unmarried, virgin cousins are pregnant. Both noble indian women have blamed an ISI-planted boyfriend. RAW is investigating the 'mysterious' conception. Baby is showing early signs of pakistani genes (horns, inability to reason, claws, a wicked yorker and a hostile attitude towards bullies in the neighborhood). A dossier of said evidence has been sent to Sarumon Zardari by express HPRR. (Human-powered rickshaw rocket)

    13. Sarumon Zardari is too busy pillaging mordor treasury and delgates document to technocrats. An elite team of Pakistanis carefully study the document and determine the best course of action would be to use the dossier as toilet paper. A photocopy is secured in a Dustbin labeled "important" which contains other valuable documents:
    Kashmiri Instrument of Accession
    1 nation theory
    Adherence to water treaties - Baligarh a case study
    Indian Secularism at its finest 2002 edition.
    Gujrat - a model community
    1001 other benefits of urine
    Exponential Overpopulation - a practical guide to steamy sex in a slum
    Kama sutra for men...only
    Which AIDS pandemic? by Indian health ministry
    First Yoga, now sati, the latest cultural export!
    How to never refute a rebuttal by A3
    Sex vacations for western paedophiles by Indian Dept. of Tourism
    Situational Ethics in democracy by Ray Lightning

    14. Dossier is returned to India.. (the used one).

    15. India retaliates by placing all U.N. resolutions, suggestions, proposals into the pak-dustbin and makes preemptive attack by bombing Amnesty International headquarters. It is later revealed that Amnesty international is not a propaganda branch of ISI but a western NGO.

    16. The latest three pronged trishul missles are launched towards Pakistan.

    17.1 One trishul delivers explosive payload. The Pakistanis don't surrender.
    17.2 second trishul delivers chemcial payload. The Pakistanis don't surrender.
    17.3 The third trishul delivers leaflets lectures about 'india shining secularism and inventions'. Pakistanis begin dying of boredom and surrender en masse.

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  18. 18. Super Gopi has done it! Akhand bharat and Achoot Tang are happening! Gopi summons the power of emperor chootiyapa lalgaand from 23rd century B.C. Lalgaand the II appears on the horizon and instructs Gopi to "reclaim" the "rest" of India.


    19. Super-Gopi springs into action. Cold Start doctrine is initiated, India declares simultaneous offensive wars on all former Indian territories: Pak, Bangladesh, Aghanistan, Bhutan, Burma, malaysia, Vietnam, Somalia, the pacific ocean, uganda, england and ur-anus.

    (To be continued)

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  19. I damn near fell out of my chair laughing at this:

    > those Indians who are often busy with patriotic masturbation do not acheive nationalistic orgasm easily. Ejaculating on their call center keyboards is a routine affair

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  20. Mystic :Independence to Kashmir will lead to the intensifying of separatist moments elsewhere. Outfits like ULFA will become more violent and killings will increase.

    Jhiya: Well this is India’s own internal problem, Kashmiris has nothing do whether maoists or naxal or khala force or for that matter Thakray will demand separate homeland for Marathis even if India will disintegrate living with this obsession, the burning desire for freedom that is in the very instinct of every human soul will never die no matter if skies will come down to earth too.

    Hey did you say India is barbaric. Are you mad how can you think by suppressing Kashmiri nation, killing and massacring its inhabitants are uniting India ????


    Mystic: There will be no gaurentee that the terrorist attacks and bomb blasts will stop as the terrorists have made their intention clear about Hyderabad, fatepur sikri etc irrespective of its Hindu majority population. The cowardly Terrorist attacks on civilian targets is extremely difficult to stop as they have an element of surprise and more so in India as their facial features are similar to Indians.


    Jhiya: Kashmiris do not care how many bombs will explode in each Indian city every single day, they are more concerned about their youths being killed, tortured, properties blasted and chasty of women folk, dignity and honour. India is a high tech, they need to strengthen and overhaul their security system and intelligence agencies to thwart any future terrorist attack. I am sure India have enough resources to protect its citizens.

    Mystic :Independence to Kashmir can become a security nightmare for India something similar to Nepal and Bangladesh where terrorists operate in their soil.

    Jhiya: My dear your biggest threat to your growing economy is Kashmir itself. Sooner you let Kashmiris free better for the rest of India. Otherwise across the border terrorist can, have already exploited situation to control nukes and Indian is a responsible country and these blood sucker terrorists next time, they wont made India thousands cuts to bleed, rather they will nukes entire India and Indians cant dream a dream a nightmare.

    Yes India must show sense of urgency to settle Kashmir Dispute lest Dragon will take advantage and exploit situation in Nepal and Bengal.


    Mystic: Let me quote from Arundhati Roy a booker prize winner and social activist she foreseen as:

    “India needs azadi from Kashmir just as much if not more than Kashmir needs azadi from India.

    contd...

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  21. contd..

    Mystic: The Himalayan Mountains of Kashmir have acted as a protective wall since ages against foreign attacks and invasion against India and militant infiltration.

    Jhiya : Agree. It was only in 1947 when roasted skulls from the plains infiltrated in guise found solace in Himalayan Kingdom called Kashmir.

    Mystic :Since years have lapsed independence at this stage will look as a major foreign policy defeat for India. You guys and Pakistan will make it look more so like a defeat for India.

    Jhiya :Present day India is only 62 years old, centuries passed when their as somebody said here chutikaya some 2500 B.C. ago was somewhere ruling India & Abroad.

    When Pakistan and Bangaldesh can be carved out of Indian Womb that never existed before why not Kashmir from Indian clutches, Kashmir has 5000 years old written history and India has occupied it some 62 years ago only.

    Mystic: Most Indians especially the illiterates’ don’t know the ground realities such as the histroy of accession by the King Hari Singh etc. They believe that Kashmir was supposed to be a part of India during partition itself. Independence will lead to a major national dissolutionment/ regret.

    Jhiya: Don’t talk about illiterates who even don’t know if any Kashmir ever exists. The irony is that literates even don’t know the basic genesis of Kashmir as Dispute. We must educate the literates first about Kashmirs Disputed nature and train to make correct report of 24/7 news channels.

    Mystic: This will lead the ruling party not to win any election in future. Opposition party will also make it a big issue for vote bank. Which major party in India is so selfless to risk loss of power for decades to come? (Vajpayee was selfless to an extent and wanted to genuinely resolve the dispute but he was back stabbed by Mussaruf the then army chief in the form of Kargil invasion immediately after his visit to Pakistan.

    Jhiya: Man trust your cunning politicians, don’t underestimate them. They can exploit any situation in their favour whether good or bad. Don’t worry they know how to manipulate a situation out of nothing.

    Pakistan was backstabbed too ruthlessly in 1971 in Bangaladesh in Gurdaspur in Saichen Glacier in Kashmir.

    Mystic: If the above concerns are addressed, I don't see a reason why India will not move ahead with a plebisite.

    Jhiya: Same Mythological reasons based on utopia

    Mystic :Things would have been so good if the plebisite would have happened right in the beginning when Nehru promised it. I dont understand why Pakistan failed to reduce troops as per UN requirement.

    Jhiya :It never too late.

    If Pakistan failed you are failing every single day in Kashmir in reducing troop cuts. You are living in obsession and above story of yours are based on fraud.

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  22. @ Pak Solidarity,

    Thank u for your comments, Pakistan se rishta kya...La illaha Illallah.

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  23. Jhiya,

    your reasoning is sound but it may no help. When it comes to muslims of the subcontinent, the normally profit-oriented Indian all of a sudden can't think logically. You have to understand the Indian psyche.

    The regions of Pakistan and Kashmir are outwardly hated as "forced converts or mixed-breed descendants or lowly-caste converts to islam". Inwardly, they hate us because we represent historical islamic primacy in south asia and the rejection of modern-india.

    They could benefit by making minor concessions and reap huge rewards but they relish the thought of seeing pakistan implode.

    They don't realize that they won't get Greater India but instead be surrounded by a disintegrated, armed and hostile Afpak, Insurgent Kashmir, a real superpower, disenfranchised smaller neighbors and numerous internal separatists.

    The problem for Indian posters is no amount of vigorous, patriotic lubricating of dry and arid testicles will produce the desired result, only a dirty keyboard.

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  24. In short
    Indians are suffering from patriotic dysentry.
    They keep on emptying their Bharti bellies over enemy blogs of Kashmir. Somebody give them ORS.

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  25. >
    > Things would have been so good if the
    > plebisite would have happened right in the
    > beginning when Nehru promised it. I dont
    > understand why Pakistan failed to reduce
    > troops as per UN requirement.
    >

    Mystic,

    Its the Pakistani and Islamic fanatical mindset that doesn't allow them to see freedom even when it is handed to them on a silver platter.

    Case 1:
    The king of Kashmir desisted from joining either India or Pakistan angling for Independent Kashmir, but "brother" Pakistan lost the opportunity for them by invading Kashmir.

    Case 2:
    Nehru said "withdraw troops from POK, ensure peace, and we will hold plebiscite to allow for freedom of J&K", but Pakistan refused (and that too after invading first). Opportunity (handed on a silver platter) lost.

    Case 3: Islamic Fanatic's wet dream
    Bring entire India under Islam. Tried it for 800 years after the first Islamic fanatic with his sword stepped into the subcontinent. But didn't work, lost the opportunity. Alas, if it had worked these fanatics would be calling me "brother."

    Case 4: Islamic fanatic's biggest regret:
    The British did not hand over India back to Muslims the rightful owners since it was the Muslims who were running the subcontinent before the British. (biggest lost opportnity and regret according to Islamic fanatic's own thinking).

    Case 6: Pakistan the glorious home of muslims of the evil-hindu subcontinent.
    After the majority Hindu population had lived under Muslim rule for 800 years, the Fanatics decided that Muslims could not live side-by-side with Hindus in an independent India and hence created Pakistan. But made a basket case out of Pakistan (opportunity lost). Now they also want Kashmir Valley (so that they can make another basket case out of it). But their fanatical dream of bringing/disinterating entire India under Muslim rule lives on.

    Opportunity 7 and 8 and 9: The wars
    Surely an army of "true" and "pure" "good-looking" "aryan" Muslims would defeat these dark ugly looking not-fully-aryan-but-not-fully-dravidian "cow-piss drinkers" Hindus who "don't know how to fight". Attacked preemptively three times and lost all three opportunities to take over Kashmir after initiating the conflict themselves.

    By the way I forgot to mention that their strong-and-nobel army the grand institution of stablity not killed 300,000 fellow-muslims and "brothers" (by conservative estimates) during the Bangadesh war (not sure if this was after or before they handed over "our muslim lands of kashmir" to china).

    Opportunity 10:
    Terorrism - enough said.

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  26. >
    > Mystic: If the above concerns are addressed, I > don't see a reason why India will not move
    > ahead with a plebisite.
    >
    > Jhiya: Same Mythological reasons based on utopia
    >

    Lost opportunity No. 11 :-)

    Now keep fighting and keep crying until the next opportunity comes along (which will no doubt be smaller than what you would currently get).

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  27. Jhiya,

    Ha ha ha...you were probably right when you said that I underestimated my politicians. However you have summed up the concerns raised by me as internal Indian Problems... but Problems are problems. India will see the problems v/s benefits of an independent Kashmir. However ultimately I feel that Kashmir will be divided based on the wishes of the people. If not in your lifetime...in the lifetime of your children.

    A3.. you were right when you spoke about the intention of Muslim rulers to dominate the relatively peace loving people here. Most of them (but not all) were foreign barbarians who plundered the Indigenous culture and temples of India. India being relatively peaceful then, the Kings had not anticipated such an invasion. Their attitude even at a later stage was clearly exemplified by the the brazen cheeky insolence of the Nizam of Hyderabad to declare themself independent from India with a declared intention to maintain Islamic domination in the state of Hyderabad which then had 85% Hindu Population.

    [They had maintained an army to counter any possible Indian attacks with an army and police force that severely underrepresented Hindus and included even Arabs. India had initially offered autonomy to them to avoid conflict which they refused and finally in a matter of 5 days they were routed and lost everything including Autonomy and had to unconditionally surrender]

    However here we need to differentiate between those rulers and the common muslim of the subcontinent who are just like you and me. Some of them converted on their own accord due to Sufi preachings (Sufism makes good sense), many of them due to royal patronage and many more were forcibilly converted. While some force converts reconverted back to their original religion there were a lot who wanted to reconvert back to Hinduism but were not taken back by hindus as they were made to eat beef and other things considered unacceptable by hindus. (This according to me was inexcusable of the hindus of not accepting them back)

    I aggree, if Pakistan had not invaded kashmir, it would have been independent today.

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  28. @ A3 and Mystic

    Think hard before you make your keyboards dirty, The Muslims ruled you continuously for almost a 1000 years n yet 75% of the population is still Hindu in India.....

    1) Was it because the 75% of the population(Hindus) fought valiantly for 1000 years to protect their faith or was it that

    2)The Muslim rulers were very secular and did not forcibly convert you guys to Islam.

    3)Think before you jizz guys, I mean Muslim emperors had an army, police and the means to slaughter Hindus if they resisted conversion.

    4) And that time no one in the entire world could've questioned their actions.

    For once leave your Akhand Bharat ideologies n think practically.....1000 years of murderous, marauding, tyrannical terrorist Islamic rule n yet 75% of India remains Hindus plus 5% Sikhs n other faiths...c'mon guys...its time to stop believing the RSS,Bajrang Dal,VHP and Shiv Sena shit.

    I know here you will mention Ghazni and Ghaznavi but they were just invaders n any invading army would loot n plunder just like how Indian soldiers in crack downs steal gold, money n valuable items from Kashmiri homes. We know for a fact that army personnel used to push their bosses for more crackdowns(Brutal House to House searches of entire towns in one/two days) so that they could steal more gold n in valuables in order to buy some land/property in UP/Bihar/Haryana etc.

    Once more- 1000 years of barbarian,fanatic,tyrannical,hegemonic,crucifying Islamic rule n yet INDIA is still 75% Hindu.....Wow you guys WAKE UP TO REALITY!!!

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  29. A3's keygasm > Opportunity 7 and 8 and 9: Attacked preemptively three times and lost all three opportunities to take over Kashmir after initiating the conflict themselves.
    <

    Bullshit. Kashmiri wars.
    Bear in mind the disparity: 160 mil vs. 1.3 billion slummies.

    1948 - 33% Kashmir land captured from India now called Azad Kashmir by both sides of LOC.
    1965 - draw or loss for pakistan.
    kargil - loss for pakistan

    See, how I don't mind telling the truth? why don't you try the same? I thought we Pakistanis were the state-controlled puppets?


    Here is a loss between a war of equals. I will deliver in Haiku form:

    Loongi on ground
    Fresh Anal tears
    1962


    Durand Line wrong
    McMahon line right
    Hypocrisy

    Chinese firecracker
    lodged in arse
    Sharp Pain

    Feelings so hurt
    Mangina hurts
    Chini hindi bhai bhai

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  30. Chinaar and KC,
    you are hilarious.

    it's too bad we are separated by the LOC, i think we could've been good friends.

    We could have weekly meetings to discuss the glory of chootiya-lals of 4800 B.C. and the latest injinishly built hydrogen powered pull-rickshaw being launched to uranus.

    inch'allah some day I will visit you in the country of kashmir. (yousuf has already promised me a visa). Special speaker-guest can be A3 to explain logic, reason, history and intelligence.

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  31. I think deep inside, mystic is a decent guy (although he does suffer from the occasional jizz-ready trigger).

    He just can't get past the mental block that the kashmiris are suffering a horrific occupation and not some fanatical, illogical hatred for all indians.

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  32. @ Pak Solidarity...Very well said...For us Kashmirs, the Pakistanis are the only people who have stood by us in our times of despair n death at the hands of the Glorious Super Indians.

    Taking cue from PakSolidarity I have written a few lines but trust me 99% of this is believed ferociously by the Indian populace.

    @ all so called Indians:

    Notable ISI n Jehadi ventures in India are as Follows:

    1)Maoists-support of hundreds of millions of people across multiple states of India---Fully funded, aided n abetted by ISI n Jehadi bastards,

    2)ULFA- fully funded , aided n trained by ISI/Lashkar/Hizbul etc,

    3)Naxals-Fully funded by ISI n other terrorist bastards,

    4)Bodos- Fully funded by ISI plus aided n abetted by Kashmiri terrorists,

    5)Demand for Telangana- Pak hand behind this too,

    6)Babbar Khalsa- Pakis in disguise n thats why Sikhs being attacked in USA n golden temple desecrated by the glorious super advanced level 10 civilized Indian Slum dog army,

    7)CPI-Marxist---Funded by the Talibaan as tactics subversive n exact replicas,

    8)Mizoram/Manipur/Nagaland/Maratha Land/Tamil eELAM.......Name it n ISI/Kashmiri terrorists r the culprits.

    9) UP n Bihari people killed/maimed n thrown out of Maharashtra- ISI is in cahoots with the rebel Marathas.

    10) Arunachal Pradesh- Google shows it as a part of China- ISI has helped the Chinese to convince Google on this.

    11)Nepal- seriously moving closer to China with major infrastructural projects/railway lines/defense etc being modernized by the Chinese-----All handiwork of Jehadi bastards n their ISI contacts in the Chinese embassy.

    With all the money put into destabilizing India, we Kashmiris/Pakistanis could easily become a super power in 6 months.

    IT surely amazes me to see how blind Indians can be..... After All its a Shekoolar Dhemokrajie.....

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  33. 12) Bollywood flops ---> ISI
    13) Indians defecating on roads ---> ISI Hajmola
    14) Call Center Body Odor -----> ISI chemical engineering
    15) kashmiri protesters ---> ISI generated Holograms
    16) Arjun Tank Failure --> ISI engineer
    17) Bad weather ---> ISI meteorologist using chinese technology
    18) Virgin Pregnancy ---> ISI boyfriend
    19) Slums ---> Pakistani immigrants
    20) Lack of Olympic medals ---> ISI athletes
    21) Amnesty International ---> ISI headquarter

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  34. Case 1:
    The king of Kashmir desisted from joining either India or Pakistan angling for Independent Kashmir, but "brother" Pakistan lost the opportunity for them by invading Kashmir.
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    We saw your indian morality when a principality desires independence like junagadh and hyderabad. we took a page out of your book and invaded -if not, all of kashmir not just IOK would be getting brutalized by shekularist democrajee.

    Go sit on a trushul.

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  35. @Pak Solidarity
    Thanks a millions brother for your compliments. You are welcome in Kashmir and what we usually say in Kashmiri language "cheshman peth" meaning welcome on our eyes.
    For A3 and Mystic my advice
    Got swayed away by antics of that bitch Barkha Dutt or that bull head Aurnabh. All that what you wrote is just not getting digested. You have made enough mockery of yourselves and of your slum shit India. Look at your prime minister, who is just a conductor sitting on the driver's seat. The real Italian driveress is having some good time with some Ottawio Quotorochhi in the bed under the picture of saintly Mahatma Gandhi and Annie Besant. Come on you fantasiors, India wont nuke Pakistan and capture it as you are made to believe in, on the creaking war rooms of Aaj Tak and Times Now psychiatric asylums. India thanks its Zillion gods and goddesses every day for there is no new bomb blast or Noisy menacing Farts in some Poona or in some Surat. Your thick brained leaders have been blaming Pakistan for even every noisy, smelly Fart delivered by some filthy fat leader of some Jarkhand or Uttarlund in your English Victorian made dysfunctional parliament house of Akhand Soutrantra Bharat. But why then India does not punish Pakistan. I will tell you why? Because you don't have those bloody Balls which normal men normally possess. That is the crux and that is why you have that conductor on the drivers seat and Italian Spaghetti in his head.

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  38. I am really amazed by the shit you guys post. Talking fact is one thing and talking shit is another.

    Just counter a few crappy examples:

    1. Go to maps.google.com and type Arunachal Pradesh and you can see if it is shown in India or China

    2. It is not 75% but 80% are Hindus and that does not mean forcible conversion did not happen. Isn't the entire Pakistan, Bangladesh and the 2nd most muslim populated country in the world - India not enough for a 500, 1000 or 3000 years. I have seen practical examples and would not have beleived if the source was the likes of Bajarang Dal or Taliban.

    3. It is nothing extraordinarily abnormal if a President of the ruling party has a say in Political matters and is a more charismatic leader than the Prime Minister.

    4. People in Pakistan themself admit that there is a rouge element in ISI and Afgan President himself has blamed ISI for Kabul bomb blast, US is examining the organization closely and it is no secret that that they have funded the Lakshar terrorists... and India has only raised valid SUSPICIONS and even a ULFA bomb blast in Assam was not attributed to ISI. Also cross border terrorism is no secret and no invention by Radical Hindu media of the declared Hindu Rastra and military controlled India which builds Temples and destroys Mosques in Tax payers state funds.

    Quote Zardari: There is a cancer within within Pakistan and we will cure it.

    If there is a prize for propaganda, false defense, exaguration and masala it will go to the commests posted by you guys...

    I am conviniced that you guys will try to hurl some more insults and will not even try to understand my point, so I have decided to post no more comments in this chain atleast to rid you of my torture...

    All I can say is... channelize your energies to fight for freedom in the right way. Ordinary Indians would be shocked if they UNDERSTAND the real situation in Kashmir... open their eyes... one of them will be future politicians of the country who can change things... talking crap and making comments like this will only put them off..

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  39. "Nosiy, menacing, farts on Aaj Tak"

    lol. My ribs hurt from laughter.

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  40. Opportunity 7 and 8 and 9: The wars
    Surely an army of "true" and "pure" "good-looking" "aryan" Muslims would defeat these dark ugly looking not-fully-aryan-but-not-fully-dravidian

    >>

    Where did this ugly stuff come from? nobody made those statements here. You are beginning to expose your psyche beneath the rough-and-tough "Indian is prevailing" facade.

    Breaking you guys down is so fucking easy. It's almost not fun.

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  41. The Kashmiri blogs have really touched me.
    I have written a post about the Kashmiri Question. Possible scenarios, solutions etc. I would love to get your comments on ACTUALLY solving the problem.

    Regards,
    Mirza

    http://reformistani.wordpress.com/2010/03/13/the-kashmiri-question/

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  42. >
    > Possible scenarios, solutions etc. I would love
    > to get your comments on ACTUALLY solving the
    > problem.
    >

    LOL, the only real solution is to get rid of the "fanatic mindset" that permeates the Fak-Ap region.

    Kashmir (and the slow-implosion that Pakistan is going through) are just manifestations of this "fanatic mindset".

    Until this fanatical mindset is eliminated (or cured to put it more constructively) any concessions or compromises will only encourage this "fanatical mindset".

    Once encouraged, this "fanatical mindset" will only create further problems such as Kashmir and more blogs attempting to solve such problems will be written. :-)

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  43. Seven part youtube video on Muslim Identity in India: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zyh9jP3FbV8&feature=related

    Hindi video on same topic: http://www.ndtv.com/news/videos/video_player.php?page=4&id=1145832

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  44. Mr. A3,

    The fanatic mindset exists on both sides. If I may say so, you are showing symptoms of this type of fanaticism.

    Your video is wonderful. I am happy for Muslims in proper India. However, this is far from the reality of the ordinary kashmiri. Just read these blogs.

    I disagree with you that a compromise would embolden the fanatic. I believe it would do the exact opposite.

    Regards,
    Mirza

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  45. Dear Kashmiris!

    Sharukh Khan is happy with India. Great!
    Let's stop the liberation movement.
    Let's extinguish your desire for freedom.
    Let's join India, gallactic super power!
    Let's forget about your son that was murdered or the sister that was raped.

    After all, Shahrukh is happy!

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  46. @ Pak Solidarity and Reformistan

    We have seen a lot of A3's over the last 60 years of Indian occupation in Kashmir. The difference between Indian Muslims and Kashmiris is that they chose to stay in India and live there irrespective of what they may or might face...they are reaping the rewards of whatever decisions they took voluntarily.....On the other hand we Kashmiris have not been given a choice, the Maharaja's tyranny n cruelty has been subsituted by the ruthless Slummies.

    Shahrukh Khan has to go and get blessings from Bal Thackeray in order to live in India.....n this man is responsible for thousands of muslim deaths during bombay riots.....Shahrukh Khan may be happy- we wish him n his likes all the best.....we Kashmiris just want to get rid of the indians irrespective of what religion they belong to.....It doesn't matter to us whether India has a muslim prime minister or a muslim capitalist or a muslim super star or a muslim whatever........WE WANT FREEDOM FROM INDIA n cannot sell the honour of our mothers n sisters just because Shah Rukh or some asshole Khan is happy gettin screwed miserably by Thackerays n Modi's

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  47. @ A3

    Please read this too.....n then come back n tell us that this one is wrong...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sachar_Committee

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  48. >
    > The fanatic mindset exists on both sides.
    >

    Mr. reformistani,

    Everything exists on both side and in the rest of the world as well, the difference is in the "size and scope", which you the "liberal/moderate Pakistani in denial mode" refuses to understand before your country goes up in complete flames.

    So worry about your own problems, otherwise I know for sure that there will be a Kashmir tomorrow, but whether Pakistan will still be there tomorrow is literally and open question at this point.

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  49. A3,

    A large portion of Kashmir is part of Pakistan. So I am not sure, how I am interfering in an external matter. The kashmiris and pakistanis have a strong bond which is self-evident here. Just as kashmiris express sadness for present-day Pakistan, we are concerned for their welfare.

    Finally, it would be foolish to think Pakistan's current troubles are entirely unrelated to the Kashmir question.

    As for size and scope, Pakistan has NEVER elected an Islamist Party. The same cannot be said of India i.e. RSS/BJP.

    It appears the only Muslims that are acceptable to you, liberal or fanatic, are ones that tow the line with India. That's fine.

    Inch'allah, Pakistan is not going down. We may be at war with al-qaeda but we are united in the integrity of our country. No amount of fantasizing by hawks such as yourself is going to change this reality. Indeed, Pakistan is the ultimate against-all-odds survival story.

    If you read all the threads here Pakistanis/Indians/Kashmiris, the only person that is fixated on their position is you.

    Mirza.

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  50. >
    > A large portion of Kashmir is part of
    > Pakistan. So I am not sure, how I am
    > interfering in an external matter.
    >

    Mr. Reformistani,

    We express sadness at the situation in Kashmir Valley as well, don't assume otherwise. However, unlike you, our sense of sadness is not constricted to "Sunni Pakistan's religious brotherhood with a Sunni Kashmir valley".

    So, if you are expressing sadness with Kashmir, hopefully you would also express similar sadness for Baluchis and Shias in Baluchistan and Northern Areas respectively as well.

    If you are looking for "equitable solutions based on redrawing national boundaries on religious/ethnic lines", then I hope you would look for similar equitable solution that can be reached by redrawing national boundaries in Baluchistan/Northern Area/other parts of Pakistan as well. Otherwise, your "sadness" on Kashmir (i.e further subdividing Kashmir based on religious/ethnic lines by redrawing boundaries) sounds like a farce.

    As far as India is concerned, we prefer to solve problems by keeping the boundary intact and fanatics out. Unfortunately that not only involves soft approaches, but also involves hard approaches.

    >
    > The kashmiris and pakistanis have a strong
    > bond which is self-evident here.
    >

    Yes off course, peaceful bonds because India allows links between Kashmir valley and Pakistan (the soft approach). Violent bonds because Pakistani army arms/trains/funds and pushes Jihadis into Kashmir Valley (and for that we have the hard approach which is much discussed here).

    >
    > Finally, it would be foolish to think
    > Pakistan's current troubles are entirely
    > unrelated to the Kashmir question.
    >

    The real problem is the "fanatic mindset" that permeates throughout Pakistan and causes problems in India, Afghanistan, and many other parts of the world, and finally now in Pakistan itself.

    >
    > As for size and scope, Pakistan has NEVER
    > elected an Islamist Party. The same cannot be
    > said of India i.e. RSS/BJP.'
    >

    So based on that you expect me to disregard the direct patronage, support, funding, and training your elected and military governments have provided to not just fanatics, but outright violent terrorists.

    The right-wing parties in the rest of the world pale in comparison to your liberal/moderate elites/military of Pakistani Punjabi heartland who rule the country.

    >
    > It appears the only Muslims that are
    > acceptable to you, liberal or fanatic, are
    > ones that tow the line with India. That's
    > fine.
    >

    Try not to see your own "religiously biased thinking" in me.

    >
    > Inch'allah, Pakistan is not going down.
    >

    Aha yes, given the hell that Pakistanis have turned their country into (even worse than Kashmir Valley), god's grace is pretty much the last refuge.

    > We
    > may be at war with al-qaeda but we are united > in the integrity of our country.
    >

    If you mean your leaders are being forced, pressured, and paid off by western governments who desperately want to see Pakistan free of "fanatics" unlike your own government/military then I agree.

    >
    > No amount of
    > fantasizing by hawks such as yourself is
    > going to change this reality. Indeed,
    > Pakistan is the ultimate against-all-odds
    > survival story.
    >

    Denial mode again :-) WAKE UP MAN!

    >
    > If you read all the threads here
    > Pakistanis/Indians/Kashmiris, the only person
    > that is fixated on their position is you.
    >

    Don't worry I will be gone before you know it :-). But do keep up the good work with your blog ("Reformistan: I am going to go on a limb here and suggest that Pakistan needs Reform. I am Reformistani").

    I wish to see your blog successful and reach a WIDE audience. But good start undoubtedly.

    Best Wishes.

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  51. Mr. Reformistan,

    By the way, my comments regarding your blog (and main subject matter - Reform in Pakistan) are genuinely well wishing. Not a sarcastic, derogatory, or pun in any way.

    Best Wishes.

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  52. @ A3

    We saw your video,Please read this too.....n then come back n tell us that this one is wrong...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sachar_Committee

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  53. @ A3
    "Try not to see your own "religiously biased thinking" in me".

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha , ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho, he he he he he he he he he he he he he,Thanks for this one A3----fell off my chair laughing n Jai Sri Ram/ Bharat Maata/Jai Trishul/ RSS-BJP-VHP-BajrangDal-Shivsena-Kar sewak type sekoolar demokrajie.....latest one is Bareilly.......n a mockery of the justice system made by Narendra Modi.

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  54. @ A3
    Shah Rukh Khan is happy for Ehsan Jaffery, MP from Gujrat who was burnt alive with dozens of his Muslim neighbours. His calls for helo and protection were given a deaf ear for 3 hours by Indian Secular police till they came and incenerated them. Some of those incenerated alive were of the veiw that an Indian Muslim MP is atleast going to save them from Secular anger of Secular India. But alas those who were supposed to protect Mr Jaffery, turned out to be the killers. Mera Bharat Mahaan.
    A3 if you want, I can serve you with more such stories on daily basis.
    By the way please visit my blog to read my fresh post , Why stone pelters are killed in Kashmir?. A3 not your kind of stuff over there.

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  55. A3,

    Please read your last 25 posts. You make accusations, assertions and assumptions. When presented with a rebuttal, you simply shift topic. This tendency to NEVER stay on point betrays either a mild case of schizophrenia or a weak, indefensible argument.

    - Mirza

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  56. A3 -
    We are collectively sorry that negotiations, dicussions and compromise are not desirable to you.

    would you prefer that Kashmiris pick up 5 million sniper rifles and RPG's and go ballistic on your slumdog occupation force?

    If this happens, you won't be jizzing on your keyboard, you will be pissing on your monitor.

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  57. @Chinar,

    Yes. Among other things it put the focus on thousands of madrassas in India which do not do a very good job of imparting a modern education to their graduates.

    As a result the millions of graduates of madrassas have little or no modern education that would appeal to people who may employ them.

    A good example would be hundreds of christian schools in India whose graduates do come out with a modern education and are much more competitive in job market as compared to graduates of madrassas.

    Here is a followup propaganda report for you: http://www.pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=50202.

    @PakSolidarity,

    The scenario (five million guns) is more likely in Pakistan at this point, rather than in Kashmir Valley.

    From where and how would these guns come into Kashmir Valley?

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  58. Indian Slumdogs are finding it difficult to counter our peaceful protests and ocasional stone peltings. No need for guns. We will suffocate India with our resolve and courage.
    Taking about Madrassas
    Let some light be shed upon various Hindu Akhadas and ashrams. Most of the Hindu ashrams are drug addiction hubs and sex shops. Various akhras like nanga sadhus and so on encourage nude wild lives. Will continue further...

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  59. @A3

    Case 1:
    The king of Kashmir desisted from joining either India or Pakistan angling for Independent Kashmir, but "brother" Pakistan lost the opportunity for them by invading Kashmir.

    Dismissed 1:
    Absolutely Maharajas inclinations were towards free Independent Kashmir. As the whole world knows and as I mentioned in one of my earlier post, it was India who was violating partition formula adopted in terms of Muslims majority areas that were supposed to join newly formed State Pakistan and Hindus Majority will go to India. Although the partition formula was implemented in letter and spirit in Junagarh, Hyderabad Deccan etc where Hindus were in majority yet ruled by Muslims kings and Nawabs.

    Alas! Newly formed nation who were preparing to celebrate freedom were shaken and shocked with the news aired on Radio India on bloodiest and darkest night of the 13 August1947, is the pain staking story of Gurdaspur Punjab that were to be part of Pakistan where Muslims were in majority. Cunning, communal headed Nehru the root cause of all entire problem hatched a conspiracy with lord Mountbatten the then British viceroy of India who as per rumours had illegitimate relations…violated the partition theory and Gurdaspur was annexed to India.

    It is said that muslims who were assuring safety and protecting of hindus and Sikhs of Gurdaspur but when the news of Gurdaspur went with India, Muslims were chopped like carrots and turnips, blood was spilling everywhere. Womens were raped, properties were set ablaze, if somebody had time they can still see the mosques turned into cow shed in Punjab. You can still see muslims womens living with sikh men. “I recommend the readers here to read “Khak Aur Khoon” by Naseem Hajazi. This is not here to defend muslims also went to rampage and killed fellow Hindus.

    I will emphasis only the reaons why Gurdaspur was illegally annexed to India is because it was ONLY ACCESSIBLE ROUTE which will connect India to Kashmir,
    This is here to one last time informing the readers, when muslims came to know the fall of Gurdaspur and the subsequent masscare of Jammu Muslims were in majority. The conscience keeping muslims especially Tribal people or Qaballis of NWFP raised a militia and voluntarily attacked Kashmir to secure this last muslim inhabited place. These were the nefarious designed of the Nehru who was eyeing on Kashmir and with the help of traitor Abullah who had also illict relationship with Nehru family lead to the annexation of Kashmir with India. Eveything went under plan. It was a only platinum flowing between the trio - Nehru, Lord Mountbatten and Abdullah.

    India has always stabbed Pakistan and is the one who first started its proxy war in Bangaladesh and were helping the terriorist organisation called Mukhti Bahani of Bangaldesh.

    If time permits will try to rebute A3’s other lies.

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  60. jhiya i can nothing to add that well done

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  63. @Mystic
    Ha ha ha...you were probably right when you said that I underestimated my politicians. However you have summed up the concerns raised by me as internal Indian Problems... but Problems are problems. India will see the problems v/s benefits of an independent Kashmir. However ultimately I feel that Kashmir will be divided based on the wishes of the people. If not in your lifetime...in the lifetime of your children.

    Hope you haven’t coked with your bigger laughter’s… For the sake of your arguments, I agree Kashmir may divided…. May be in your lifetime u cant see India’s disintegration ….

    But I can foresee crystal clear, India will crumbling into pieces like big bag in the life time of your children…..

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  64. @A3

    "Yes. Among other things it put the focus on thousands of madrassas in India which do not do a very good job of imparting a modern education to their graduates"

    As usual you conveniently forgot to mention that the number of madrassas is actually very low n that according to the sachar committee report, the condition of Muslims in India is even worse than Dalits n scheduled castes.....So I don't know what your videos r talking about....maybe its a pico-metric section of Muslims in India but as your official Government transcript says....majority of the Muslims live way below national average of one square meal every two days.

    AND WE ALL KNOW HOW TRUTHFUL SHINING INDIA'S OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS ARE!!!!!

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  65. O my god... some body talks about the wishes of the people of Kashmir.. and the reply by this kashmiri is India will crumble into pieces like big bang....

    What an answer sirji...

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  66. Case 6: Pakistan the glorious home of muslims of the evil-hindu subcontinent.
    After the majority Hindu population had lived under Muslim rule for 800 years, the Fanatics decided that Muslims could not live side-by-side with Hindus in an independent India and hence created Pakistan. But made a basket case out of Pakistan (opportunity lost). Now they also want Kashmir Valley (so that they can make another basket case out of it). But their fanatical dream of bringing/disinterating entire India under Muslim rule lives on.

    Dismised 6:

    Nehru is the ultimate loser and can be called a communal & power thirst, who led the partition of subcontinent, Jinnah who was secular wore western dress unlike Nehru who would wore Hindustani chaddi and topi on his head. Jinnah rose to the prominence in the Indian National Congree expounding ideas of Hindu – Muslim unity. It was only The Nehru Report of 1928 in which Muslims were getting no share in govt. formation except ceremonial Presidency, whileas Hindus were getting the lions share as per the federal form of government but with residuary powers vested in the CENTER ( because Hindus were in majority, and muslims minority and later blamed the 800 Muslims rule of Mughals as to why cruel sword and ruthless fire power was not used to forceful coversion of entire Hindu population to Islam. Had Mughal adopted this theory muslims would have been still ruling the sub – continent. But again Credit must go to Mughals who were secular and tolerant to hindus subjects. Such were the tolerance of Mughals, Jai Singh a hindu was the chief commander of Musilm Army and hindus were holding very prominent post, where in 62 years of india rule, you saw Army Chief a Muslim, you can count few of Muslims Officers in your finger in Independent India, thank God only a lame duck ceremonial president). In short, Nehru’s Report of 1928, resemble an unitary govt with all powers vested in the center as Modern Day china.

    Secular Jinnah proposed Fourteen Points and one of the point very first point said. “ The form of the future constitution should be federal with the residuary powers vested in the PROVINCES “ which communal Nehra and its Indian Nattional congress outrightly rejected like the one when formet puppet CM Farooq Abdullah in of JK assembly passed automony resolution which was thrown into dust bin by the Delhi on the fashion.Unlike Abdullahs of kashmir Jinnah was foresight he favoured partitition. Having seen the plight of muslims in Independent India under Hindu rule, I defend Jinhas partition.

    India is repeating the same history in kashmir from its occupation from 1947 to Present 2010. Prime Minister and local Sadr – I – Risait was nuded to CM, Governor of India. Supreme court and Election commission of India powers were extended to kashmir.And now GOI are working hard to abrogate Article 370…. Ragda – I, is evdient to these fact.

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  67. A3, I read this link...

    http://www.pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=50202

    was really happy. The reason Sachar committee report was taken itself shows the good intentions of the government. Hope the rest of the implementation also happen...

    @ Kashmir Centre..

    Your wonderful Quote:

    Taking about Madrassas
    Let some light be shed upon various Hindu Akhadas and ashrams. Most of the Hindu ashrams are drug addiction hubs and sex shops. Various akhras like nanga sadhus and so on encourage nude wild lives. Will continue further...

    ANSWER: Nothing was said here about Madrasas which muslims them-self have not said... yeah there are madrasas which are good also.

    Are you talking about a couple of prostitution scandles that were busted which were attributed to some Hindu Swamiji's? The phraze "most of the hindu ashram" is bullshit for which I can only laugh...Get some life you LOW-LIFE... Come see the educational institution's run by Hindu Ashrams and Swamiji's... they are education par-excellence with an emphasis to allround development of an individual... mostly non-profit & many are residential that has art, games, physical exercises, entertainment etc.. They also have retreats where students spend 3 days in silence in cottages inbetween nature for self-reflection, meditation and retrospection. I did study in one of the many residential schools of Rama-Krishna mission and that has made be what I am to keep me grounded and humane inspite of my fast paced life...

    Your are open to send your children to one such school. Students of all religion are found there including Westerners and Muslims... dont worry religion is not taught as part of the curriculum.. (But I warn your narrow minded mentality that you might have to sing Bajans for 1 hour a day in the prayer hall if the kids are part of the residential/hostel program..)

    WAKE-UP

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  68. Muslims have given one of the largest educational universites where prominent scholars were born such as Aligarh Muslim Univerity and Jamia Milla Islamia Unviersity Delhi.

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  69. Jhiya: I aggree with you, No doubt some of the Muslim University education is also Par- Excellence.

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  70. @ Amar-Akbar-Anthony

    "Wake UP"

    From what bro......we Kashmiris prefer sleeping and by the way your governments intentions are always good but there is a huge difference between intentions n actions.

    ALL WE WANT IS THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE OUR FUTURE....GIVE US OUR RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION IN A DEMOCRATIC WAY AS PROMISED TO US AND KEEP YOUR INDIA SHINING MANTRA TO YOURSELF...we have heard enough in the past 60 years n don't want to accede to your union.

    GOT IT AMAR(alias Modi)...oops sorry pseudo-Akbar(Godhra wala)...beg your pardon Anthony(Kandhamal)....sorry SINGH(1982/Golden temple)......type shekoolar dhemocrajie wala Bharat Varsh.

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  71. Amar Akbar and Anthony
    I really do not understand what made you to be so agitated. Whatever you wrote is bullshit. Hindu ashrams are hubs of immorality, even your biased media agrees with me. And some of them may be imparting real education, I agree. But then why you people demonise madrassas. You all suffer from Islamophobia and always suffer from madness of praising. Praising your slum shit India, your Nanga Sadhus, your everything. So sickening to read the same old statements from Indian bloggers again and again.
    Wake up! And Grow up! You are just a third world citizen and majority of you live in pathetic, filthy slums. Why then all this bragging? Why?

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  72. @ AAA
    The World Bank estimates that 456 million Indians (42% of the total Indian population) now live under the global poverty line of $1.25 per day (PPP). This means that a third of the global poor now reside in India.India has a higher rate of malnutrition among children under the age of three (46% in year 2007) than any other country in the world.

    A 2007 report by the state-run National Commission for Enterprises in the Unorganised Sector (NCEUS) found that 77% of Indians, or 836 million people, lived on less than 20 rupees (approximately USD $0.41) per day[16] with most working in "informal labour sector with no job or social security, living in abject poverty."

    http://nceus.gov.in/

    Now who is sleeping?????

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  73. Chinaar: When did I talk about India Shining? I accept your data. Esp child malnutrtion is the worst problem of India.

    Brother Kashmir Centre:

    I just didn't approve when you said "MOST of the Ashrams" the word MOST was inappropriate. There could be a lot of people doing activities in the guise of an Ashram... because they would think an Ashram would protect them from police suspicion as religious people are supposed to be so called "nice" people etc... Also many would open an Ashram/Temple as a means of living as it is a custom for people to contribute money to such places...and there could be some real con men too like chandraswami..This is the case with any religion esp in a third world country. During my younger days, some 8 years back.. I was briefly into smoking Marijuana (Ganja) which is illegal. I used to buy it from a small Mosque (I think it is called a Dharga) I had to just stand outside in the road and a lady or a small boy used to come out of the Dharga give me the stuff and take the money... If caught by the police I guess both the seller and the buyer would have had to go to the station :-)


    However where I studied the swamis were actually Over dedicated towards us. I was always told good things about other religions and cultures. I owe them one.

    I agree it is wrong to demonise madrasas as a whole. However sometimes we assume you are also in the same line of thinking as us and may fail to realize that the concept of Madrasa is known to you as a positive religious entity much before you heard about Terrorism and would not like some of them teaching radical thoughts.

    Whereas we guys have heard about Madrasa BECAUSE of Terrorism and would fail to understand how a Madrasa is integral part of your religion even much before terrorism started . So you see there is a mismatch in thinking. This is why any communal misunderstanding happen.

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  74. By the way, I dont really understand why we fight in the name of religion. there was a case when I once had some Muslim and christain friends in our group during college days who used to come to play hockey every day. After playing we used go to a near by shop drink soft drinks, chat for a fairly long time and then go back home. I am talking about the year 1999. it never used to occur to any of us about any religion difference between us and how the hell does it matter. It was so unobvious and irrelevant that inspite of hearing their muslim names I didnt know they were muslims ...or may be didnt bother to know. Thanks to the current world scenario...this thing is even being mentioned.

    Now a days during the very rare occasion when a friend or relative during any incident critisizes another religion I actually get irritated.. (but earlier I wouldnt even have noticed or remember the criticism as for me it would have been insignificant to respond)

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  75. Hey Chinaar, I cant find it.. just check the data again. How can 77% of people live with less than 20 Rs ($0.41) and at the same time only 42% be less than $ 1.25? I think it is 2 dollars and not 20 Rs.

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  76. @ AAA

    Its two separate studies, one by world bank n the other by NCEUS.

    Believe any one but the bottom line is....with so much abject poverty, why spend almost 30% of your GDP on defense particularly J&K.

    Common sense- let Kashmiris decide their future through a democratic plebiscite under UN supervision and end all the sufferings.

    PEACE.

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  77. AmarAkbarAntony,

    Don't worry. you are experiencing level 1 of ten levels to the journey and path to Indian Self-Actualization. If you stay long enough on these blogs you will reach Realvana. Realvana is Nirvana's ugly cousin.

    Level 1 - You are an Indian full of wide-eyed enthusiasm. You show up with names such as mystic, spriritual, harmony and keyboard-cassanova. You have so completely bought into the Indian national past-time of self-adulation that you squirt bodily liquids every time you see GDP per capita go up by 10 rupees. You are eager to share your command of the English language and lecture the world, you are absolutely convinced of Indian supremacy, Indian Morality, Indian Sexiness. You are convinced Pakistani kashmir is a disaster and Indian "facilitated" Kashmir is a model of perfection. You have read your government-certified history books, you are sure that India invented everything! The rest of the world is simply borrowing your technology. Everyday on your way to call-center, you walk by slums, you step in cow-shit, you almost get runover by a human-powered rickshaw yet your mind is in bollywoodland. You are the hero in your own film that arrives at his mansion... in a helicopter accompanied by a bevy of gori-gori sexy babes. Each sexy babe in shocking-pink mini-skirt is a different ethnicity, a different religion that compromises the Indian mosaic of tolerance and unity.

    Level 2 - Then during a breaktime after explaining someone in the west how to tie the double-windsor knot. you type kashmiri blogs in "the google", this simple act transforms you to level 2 just in itself.

    (to be continued)

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  78. @Chinaar

    @A3

    >
    > As usual you conveniently forgot to mention
    > that the number of madrassas is actually very
    > low
    >

    There are 25,000 to 40,000 madrassas in India. How is that low? There are probably less then 1000 christian schools in India.

    >
    > that according to the sachar committee
    > report, the condition of Muslims in India is
    > even worse than Dalits n scheduled
    > castes.....
    >

    Here is the sachar committee report: http://www.imc-usa.org/reports/2006/pmhlc.muslims.pdf.

    Do take your time to actually read it and show me where it says "the condition of Muslims in India is worse than Dalits & SCs".

    I look forward to your full reply. Let's see how you spin this one.

    >
    > So I don't know what your videos r talking
    > about....maybe its a pico-metric section of
    > Muslims in India but as your official
    > Government transcript says....majority of the
    > Muslims live way below national average of
    > one square meal every two days.
    >

    There are a large number of communities among Muslims. Ismilli muslims for examples do exceptionally well (billionairs, CEO of companies, etc). While as Dalit muslims are at the bottom. And yes, most Indians (not just Muslims) live below $2 a day. There is nothing new in that. Even then the life expectancy of Muslims in India is among the highest; while, their educational level is among the lowest.

    >
    > AND WE ALL KNOW HOW TRUTHFUL SHINING INDIA'S
    > OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS ARE!!!!!
    >

    Yes truthful only when they suit your propaganda otherwise useless. :-)

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  79. @Jhiya

    >
    > Aligarh Muslim Univerity and Jamia Milla
    > Islamia Unviersity Delhi.
    >

    Osmania is other good one.

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  80. @Chinnar

    >
    > with so much abject poverty, why spend almost
    > 30% of your GDP on defense.
    >

    Now which Pakistani Jihadi literature did you get that figure from.

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  81. the root cause of conflict in south asia is hindu predominated bharat mata has grabbd the muslim dominated valley of kashmir by deploying 9lakh slumdog sena and making the civilians of jammu and kashmir hostage .that is the root cause of conflict, not aatankwad

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  82. @A3


    Paksolidarity response to your GDP is:-

    "I don't care if your GDP per capita divided by purchasing power multiplied by the quotient of a monkey's ass is higher than Brunei."

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  83. @A3/AAA/Level 10 Super Rickshaw civilization intellect.

    "There are 25,000 to 40,000 madrassas in India. How is that low? There are probably less then 1000 christian schools in India".

    DO YOU KNOW ABOUT RATIO'S?....What is the population of Muslims in India vis a vis Christians...n where did you get these figures from???DID YOU USE YOUR SUPER INTELLIGENT TELEPATHIC SKILLS??

    "that according to the sachar committee
    > report, the condition of Muslims in India is
    > even worse than Dalits n scheduled
    > castes....."

    EXCERPT FROM THE REPORT "Most of the variables indicate that Muslim-OBCs are significantly deprived in comparison to Hindu-OBCs. The work participation rate (WPR) shows the presence of a sharp difference between Hindu-OBCs (67%) and the Muslims. The share of Muslim-OBCs in government/ PSU jobs is much lower than Hindu-OBCs".

    "I look forward to your full reply. Let's see how you spin this one".

    Kashmiris don't spin things n that's why slummies took advantage cause slummies actually invented the art of SPIN.

    Excerpt"Only four per cent of Muslims students actually go to madrasas primarily because primary state schools do not exist for miles. Therefore, the idea that Muslims prefer madrasa education was found to be not true"

    Tell me how can 40,000 madrassas teach only 4% of Muslims????

    Excerpt "The presence of Muslims has been found to be only 3% in the IAS, 1.8% in the IFS and 4% in the IPS."

    How can a 20% segment of your population have this small/minuscule a representation????

    Excerpt"That Muslims wherever spoken to complained of suffering the twin calumnies of being dubbed “anti-national” and of being “appeased”".

    Bharat Mata in its orgasmic best.

    Excerpt"In addition, the demands made by the Sachar Committee to provide preferential treatment to Muslims in the Indian Army to bring about a fairer representation have been severely criticized by members of the Indian Armed Forces as well as the right wing BJP political party".

    The True colors of a shekoolar dhemokrajie come forth.

    By the way how is Bareilly doing these days, how many more Muslims have your HINDUTVA agents killed or maimed.

    ENOUGH OF THIS BULLSHIT AAA/A3.....THIS BLOG IS FOCUSING ON KASHMIR N NOT GLORIOUS INDIA and you Indians are acting exactly like the Israelis but at least they aren't so untruthful. I mean Israeli's keep telling the Palestinians that we have a per capita of almost 30,000 USD....so come and join the state of Israel n inspite of such a lucrative offer...Palestinians still continue their resistance. In contrast the Indians with their per capita income of 2000 USD with 77% population living on one square meal every two days is ludicrous to say the least.

    Bottom line....stop killing us Kashmiris n let us practice our vote in a plebiscite to determine our future.

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  84. @A3/AAA

    "Indian defence spending will rise by more than a third to INR1,417 billion (USD32.7 billion) in Fiscal Year 2009, according to the interim budget presented by acting finance minister Pranab Mukherjee on 16 February.

    This figure represents a 34.2 per cent increase from the proposed 2008 budget of INR1,057 billion and a 23.6 per cent increase from the revised 2008 defence spending estimate of INR1,146 billion.

    The allocation is nearly 15 per cent of the government's total interim budget of INR9,532.31 billion for the fiscal year beginning on 1 April".

    http://www.janes.com/news/defence/triservice/jdw/jdw090219_1_n.shtml


    USD 32.7 billion on defense.....major chunk to be spent in Kashmir....think how many mouths you could feed with just 1 billion USD of that money. This is 15% of your total interim budget. You guys are warmongers n barbarians to keep 77% of your population below poverty line n yet spend so much on containing us Kashmiris...wow hats off to u

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  85. @A3
    "There are 25,000 to 40,000 madrassas in India. How is that low? There are probably less then 1000 christian schools in India".
    ---------------------------------------------
    there are more christian missioneries working that can out number 25thousand madrasas. how many are being converted from Hinduism to christianity than Islam every day. Uncle Sam has already carved christian state within Inida.

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  86. Chinaar:

    *Got it. 77 % is the people working in unorganized sector with less than Rs. 20 a day. Below Poverty line is 42% as per world bank standards of $ 1.25 a day per person and 26% as per Indian standards both of which are anyways bad.

    *I dont aggree that Army should be politicalised with reservation and aggree with the right winged argument that any selection esp to the army should be based on Merit alone and if less muslims opt for army, nothing can be done about it. You can only motivate them to join or train them for the selection process. Altering the Meritorious selection process in favour of a community is a very Nonsensical suggestion by the government.

    *Muslims are around 13 % not 20% of India.

    *I never focused on India and did not speak any bullshit my intention is to clear misgivings. If there is a rule that Indians cant post comments here, I will stop and post no more.

    PakSolidarity:

    You seriously make a good writer and have a talent there. Wouldn't mind hearing more of you. I was told that with Nirvana you escape not just hell and rebirth but also the highest Materialistic heaven or Swarg of the demi-gods and go directly to the higher cosmic realm of god. What is your version of Nirvana?

    PS: When I was young, I had a small hope of Nirvana. Now I have given up any hope atleast in this lifetime, due to my so called non spiritual acts like smoking that Marijuana and other acts that normal humans do. I also think Iam not made to be selfish in pursuit of God but instead work for the world in what I believe. Like what you guys are doing.

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  87. Jhiya: Why are you comparing the Indian GDP to Brunei why not "Papua New Guinea".

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  88. AAA

    let me give you some background. In clear reference to the ground reality in kashmir, some indian posters have come in here taunting the kashmiris about raping their sisters...

    hence, the understandable rage towards Indian posters and by extension indian nation.

    You will find an extremely hostile environment here especially if you try to justify violence against kashmiris like A3.

    Also, when A3 brings up madrassahs (out of nowhere), some people retaliate in kind against hindu practices.

    It's a tit-for-tat but the first 'tit' is usally an A3 type person.

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  90. @ Pak Solidarity

    BROTHER/Sister, As AAA put it, you should seriously consider some form of writing as a career option...there's a talent lurking here.

    @ AAA

    My friend, we Kashmiris are suffering very miserably at the hands of the Indians, its a struggle for our rights....this struggle spans four generations now, YOU GUYS got your freedom from the British or whatever....we are still struggling against very heavy odds.

    All we are asking/demanding is to let us choose our future democratically under UN supervision as promised to us at multiple international/domestic forums by great Indian stalwarts.....DOES ASKING FOR OUR RIGHT TO SELF-DETERMINATION AUTOMATICALLY LABEL US AS KASHMIRI TERRORIST BASTARDS??.......WHY IS INDIA PORTRAYING ITSELF AS A DEMOCRACY AND YET PERPETUATING THE WORST HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES IN THE LARGEST PRISON THAT HUMANITY HAS EVER SEEN...i.e.KASHMIR

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  91. @A3
    You are endlessly continuing your patriotic masturbation and let me assure, you wont achieve your Nationalistic orgasm.
    Your argument is biased. Your hate against Muslims and Kashmiris wont take you anywhere. You have run out of ideas now, I suggest you to introspect and accept the truth. Truth about Indian Fallacy. Truth about Indian Brutal Head.

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  92. AAA,

    Don't be discouraged.
    Far from impeding you in your path to nirvana, marijuana will help you get there.

    In fact, if we all get together at my corner paan-wala in karachi for his "himalayan ganja", I am sure we will have kashmir solved in about 20 minutes.

    By the way, your revelation now explains some of your questions such as: "why brunei, why not papua new guinea"

    That one left me scratching my head.

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  93. @Chinnar

    Thanks for the quotes.

    >
    > EXCERPT FROM THE REPORT "Most of thevariables
    > indicate that Muslim-OBCs are significantly
    > deprived in comparison to Hindu-OBCs.
    >

    Please pay attention to the term "OBC". The text in no way implies that the conditions of Muslims in general is worse than Dalits and/or SC/ST classes. What it is saying is that Muslims of "Other Backward Classes" (i.e Muslim-OBCs) are worse off than Hindus of "Other Backward Classes " (i.e Hindu OBCs).

    >
    > The work participation rate (WPR) shows the
    > presence of a sharp difference between
    > Hindu-OBCs (67%) and the Muslims.
    >

    "Work participation Rate" means people who are EITHER "employed" OR "actively looking for a job". (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_Participation_Rate)

    For the actual unemployment rate of Muslims as compared to other communities, see table 5.2 of the report.

    According to Table 5.2, Unemployment rate of ALL Hindus is 8.1% and that of Muslims is 8.1%; while as, unemployment rate of "Other minorities (Dalits/SC/ST/etc) is "10.9%"

    >
    > The share of Muslim-OBCs in
    > government/ PSU jobs is much lower than Hindu-
    > OBCs".

    Again for OBCs only, not for all Muslims. And the reason for this is: "Overall, one finds that as compared to others, Muslim workers are engaged more in self employed manufacturing and trade activities. Their participation in regular salaried jobs (especially in the government or large public and private sector enterprises) is much less than workers of other SRCs"

    >
    > Excerpt "The presence of Muslims has been
    > found to be only 3% in the IAS, 1.8% in the
    > IFS and 4% in the IPS."
    >

    If you don't give the UPSC exams, I don't know how you expect to get into IAS, IFS, IPS, etc? Here is what the report says for those muslims who give the UPSC exam:

    "The information on UPSC appointments seems to
    suggest that at least in these appointments this perception is incorrect; the success
    rates of Muslim candidates is similar, if not better, in these selections."

    >
    > Excerpt"That Muslims wherever spoken to
    > complained of suffering the twin calumnies of
    > being dubbed “anti-national” and of being
    > “appeased”"
    >

    Agreed, but stereotyping is not limited to Muslims only. Some of the other communities have even worse stereotypes (which I would prefer not to go into).

    >
    > Excerpt"In addition, the demands made by the > Sachar Committee to provide preferential
    > treatment to Muslims in the Indian Army to
    > bring about a fairer representation have been
    > severely criticized by members of the Indian
    > Armed Forces as well as the right wing BJP
    > political party".
    >

    There is no data from Army, etc in this report. The reason is that this report was seen as a "political report". Unlike in Pakistan, the army in India prefers to stay out of politics and hence, on the flip side, expects the political parties to keep the army out of politics. This report was seen as an attempt to use the army as a political tool and hence was resisted by the army.

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  94. >
    > Tell me how can 40,000 madrassas teach only
    > 4% of Muslims????
    >

    There are 160 million Muslims in India. Juggle the number anyway you want.

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  95. >
    > "Indian defence spending will rise by more
    > than a third to ...
    > This figure represents a 34.2 per cent
    > increase from the proposed 2008 budget
    > The allocation is nearly 15 per cent of the
    > government's total interim budget...

    I see... so you are unable to justify your earlier claim that India is speding 30% of GDP on defense.

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  97. >
    > justify violence against kashmiris like A3.
    >

    That brand of ganja you are smoking must be good.

    >
    > Also, when A3 brings up madrassahs (out of
    > nowhere), some people retaliate in kind
    > against hindu practices.
    >

    The discussion was regarding what sachar committee report is saying.

    >
    > It's a tit-for-tat but the first 'tit' is
    > usally an A3 type person.
    >

    LOL, read the comments under previous blog post - "cow piss drinker", "lunatic hindu mythology", "slumdogs", etc, etc. But keep it up, I am not "crying/complaining" like you are.

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  98. This sanchar or samachar report sucks here. A3 is diverting the attention of this blog that is meant to spread the awareness among the masses of the real issues kashmiris are facing everyday of his/her life by brute 7hundred thousand Indian occupational troops who are occupying 4,57,000 kanals of disputed land along with 11 million people. And nobody is drawing here any light on this grave issue, which needs immediate attention. This is beyond our imaginations to think of and under these circumstances Kashmiri living conditions are worst than animals who are better than humans us Kashmiris.

    I have no samachar report / figures to defend or reject the plight of the Kashmiris. I have neither carried any survey nor I will go to the Indian slums to prove it. I will only speak of my Mauj Kashir as follows.

    1. How many Kashmiri Muslim officers in higher police ranks such as DIG/ IG we have seen during 62 years of Indian rule in Kashmir.

    2. Governor is also Hindu and chief secretaries are mostly Hindus.

    3. Puppet Kashmir Cabinet passed resolution to name the Srinagar Interantional Airport after father and the great saint of Kashmir who muslims as well as pandits alike respect to Sheikh Ul Alam Airport, which Communal Hindus / Delhi rejected. This new designed airport will be having shopping malls, atms, forex divisions, cabins for all the airlines and the poor muslims who works there as slaves read their prayer / Nimaz under the sky in harsh winter conditions. Airport Authority of India rejected to give them any place or small prayer hall, whileas Jammu airport is designed in the shape of a Hindu Temple. Govt. of JK have no authority or say, everything is controlled by Delhi.

    4. Where on earth but you will see only in Kashmir the so called Darbar for 2 and a half district Jammu to appease the Hindu and majority of the population is being left on lurch.

    @A3
    how your invisible community or jammu hindus have 70% representation in Muslim majority Kashmir and 16 crore Muslims of India have 1%.


    5. We have 02 directors of tourism/finance etc etc. one in Srinagar and one in Jammu. Now 02 Central universities.

    6. How many %age of Muslims and Hindus are there in Secretariat and Govt. Deptt. Even Tehsildar who are supposed to have command in urdu are being replaced by Devangari script.

    7. How pathetic is that all the state water resources are being controlled by Delhi. They generate electricity on our water resources and supply it to plains of India and we poor Kashmiri lives in dark. And the very same electricity they supply @ 0.5 paisa per unit, and our democratically elected JK Govt. buy it from the Centre @7 rupees per unit. What a cruel joke.



    It was so painstaking and pathetic to see poor, backward and down trodden people in huge queue to get the permit from the delhi based official staying at the posh cheshma shahi banglow for the horses / ponies during amaranth yatra. How disgusting, the people who have no propriety rights are being asked for permission by its subjects. In real terms they where taking them on ride. Don’t know which century Kashmiri are living.

    We, Kashmiri are slaves to India and slaves have no rights only to obey the dictations of their masters.

    Is there any hope left my dear brothers and sisters??

    We wont give up, we are fighting for bigger cause that is Freedom from tyranny and cruel.

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  99. PakSolidarity:

    Quote:

    In fact, if we all get together at my corner paan-wala in karachi for his "himalayan ganja", I am sure we will have kashmir solved in about 20 minutes.


    Ha Ha Ha... totally agree with this. We will invite A3 also for the meeting...

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  101. Jhiya: Not sure about your concerns. If they are Valid,it is unfortunate. I guess you guys will have to take it up as a public interest litigation.It is one thing where the public is really heard. Even if change may not be made immediately, your point will be heard and if lucky may get media hype. May be you can google and find out how to file for it.

    However it is very wrong to say that you are like slaves. It is as bad if not worse as saying All Hindus are Thugs. Slaves are what we were to the British. Slaves are what the blacks were to the whites. You have a state of your own with your people ruling and you are not subordinated to anybody. [Human rights violation and Seperatist movements is a different issue and does not come under the criteria of slavery].

    You may argue that the centre has more power than the state which is a puppet government.So is the case with all the states in the country. India is a federally administered country because of which Jinnah was demanding partition.

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  102. @AAA
    Jhiya: Not sure about your concerns. If they are Valid,it is unfortunate. I guess you guys will have to take it up as a public interest litigation.It is one thing where the public is really heard. Even if change may not be made immediately, your point will be heard and if lucky may get media hype. May be you can google and find out how to file for it.

    What a precise damn Indian vocabulary and diplomatically you are writing here adding salt to the wounds. First you are not sure, and then your if and buts is not unfortunate is the human tragedy and shame you assume we must make chakar of Indian courts. Had humans being heard by Indian justice system then there was enough proof for them to declare Kashmir a disputed territory and call for referendum as per UN Resolution? Had public being heard the killer of Jaleel Andrabi, Asiya and Nelofar and many many more would have not let scott free by your system. Dreaded renegade Muma kanna would have not been awarded highest civilian award.
    Don’t be too funny, and of course we will goole you one by one and find out there is nothing left till the search completed.

    ………..However it is very wrong to say that you are like slaves. It is as bad if not worse as saying All Hindus are Thugs…
    I never say Hindus are thugs but they are prime culprit of human tragedy and suffering Kashmiris are going…. British were good master and you are the worst.
    …………You may argue that the centre has more power than the state, which is a puppet government. So is the case with all the states in the country. India is a federally administered country because of which Jinnah was demanding partition…

    You are very controversial. AT LAST YOU ACCEPTED PARTITION WAS NOT ONLY BASED ON RELIGIOUS LINE, BUT WAS A POWER STRUGGLE AND RIGHTS. Kashmir is very different than any other State of India that PC already accepted.

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  103. Jhiya:

    The reason I said not sure is not to doubt you but doubt myself as I was not sure of things like if the sale of electricity @ 7 Rs is a common practice across all states and if the low representation of Kashmiri muslims is purposeful or accidental etc..

    Why will a public interest litigation not work for something like building a shelter for Airport workers. I think it will work atleast for smaller things.

    British were considered our colonial masters wheras Indians are considered your fellow citizens.

    I aggree Partition was based on power struggle and rights based on religious line.

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  104. @AAA and A3

    I think your knowledge about Kashmir and its struggle for freedom is infinitesimal to say the least.

    I would advise that you visit Kashmir Forum...the link is located on the right hand side of this blog....Go through all the posts, enlighten yourself n then come back for a debate with us.

    Regards

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  107. @A3

    You my dear friend are in a mode of self denial, you just cannot fathom the fact that Indians in Kashmir can be so eternally brutal cause it evaporates all that you have been taught about Bharat Mata n its glorious shit.

    Wake up A3 n see whats happening on the ground here in Kashmir. A HINDU occupation force of 700,000 plus and yet not able to control an unarmed,Muslim population. You and your likes have used every trick in the book for the last 60 years to continue suppressing us, we have not given up on what is our birth right n WE WILL NOT GIVE UP till we achieve freedom from the Indian yoke of tyranny, debauchery, ruthlessness and fraud.

    Regards

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  108. Whatever said and done I am not here to justify the human rights violation of our armed forces. They have brought our country to shame. I REGRET & APOLOGIZE their actions. Though I know that my apology will not in any way erase the damage done.

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  109. @ Amar Akbar Anthony

    You seem to be a human amongst the vast hordes of Indian animals. I would recommend that you read or watch what Arundhati Roy has to say about Kashmir. This intellectual Indian n winner of a Booker prize is one of the very few Indians who are not afraid to speak the truth.

    About 9900 Sisters/mothers/daughters have been raped and 8800 plus cases are registered at various police stations with 0% conviction, 12/13 year old boys have been shot in the chests/heads for Bharat Mata's glory, more than 120,000 mostly young innocent men have been brutally murdered either in custody or staged encounters to earn Param Vir Chakras, Ahh!! There is so much to write about Indian brutality/atrocities in Kashmir that all of the pages written on the web would pale in comparison...........And all this is because us poor simpletons refuse to let go of our birthright i.e. RIGHT TO SELF-DETERMINATION.

    Kashmir Ganja is supposed to be the worlds best according to SHANTARAM n INDIAN SADHUS...maybe one day we will smoke it together in a free Kashmir while rowing a Shikara on the beautiful Dal-Lake. A FREE DEMOCRATIC/SECULAR and Peaceful Kashmir like it was at the time of Sultan Zainul-Aabideen or Raja Avantiverman.

    Regards

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  110. we are wasting our time by going on wild-goose chases and fact-finding missions for A3.

    A3 thinks he is really intelligent by diverting the focus of this somewhat influential blog.

    Little does he know that most of his indophile propaganda, meant for a neutral audience, is going to be deleted by Yousuf. LOL.

    Dumb ass.

    Let's instead talk about the method that should be used to liberate kashmir.

    Should it be:

    1. Non-violent Protest
    2. Vietnam style Guerrilla Warfare
    3. American style revolution against the british
    4. International Mediation
    5. 3-party talks

    what should each pakistani and kashmiri do?
    what should conscientious indians do?

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  111. @ Everyone

    Have non-violent protests ever lead to results???

    Is an American style revolution possible in Kashmir????

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  112. >
    > A FREE DEMOCRATIC/SECULAR and Peaceful
    > Kashmir like it was at the time of Sultan
    > Zainul-Aabideen or Raja Avantiverman.
    >

    @Chinnar,

    Why do you (and other Kashmiris I assume) hold these two Kings in high regard? What did they do?

    This is my last post by the way, but I hope to read your detailed answer.

    Peace.

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  113. 1. Non-violent Protest.
    2.
    Kashmiri people carried one of the biggest series of non-violent protests in1990’s non violent protest in return they were dealt with Gowkadal Massacre , maisuma, bijbehara massacares, etc. etc. Recently year 2008 witnessed the record breaking participation of non violent protests oceans of people. In return Indian armed forces killed 60 youths and imposed series of undeclared curfews to break the will of people. 2009 also witnessed non-violent protests with same result forces and intimidation, ransacking house and window panes (situation is so grim my heart bleeds to see the suffering and pain of women and children, young and old). Now the Indian Armed Forces are arresting these non-violent protesters and are slapping them 2 years imprisonment under PSA, this is all happening in the name of worlds largest democracy.

    2. Vietnam style Guerrilla Warfare

    Gurrilla war is going on in Kashmir but with low intensity. It has highlighted kashmiri dispute in world arena. But it has not taken place like Afgan style Guerrilla wherein they have formed parallel and showdow govt. and are in control of certain places.

    3. American style revolution against the british

    I don’t know what macho style revolution American applied against Britsh.
    But in my school textbooks there was one chapter “I HAVE A DREAM” by Martin Luther King Jr.

    4. International Mediation
    for the last 62 years our enemy has successfully avoided international mediation.

    5. 3-party talks
    Today their MEA office even rejected the unknown composite dialogue involving two parties.

    But this cunning sharp brown colour enemy with crooked nose and fat ass who is neither white or black has to be engaged with tripartite talks to evolve some solution.

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  114. What Indians can do...

    Understand the history of Kashmir esp what happened during Partition

    Undo years of mental conditioning since birth that Kashmir is an inalienable part of India and understand that if Nepal, Bhutan and Srilanka can be different countries so can Kashmir.

    Know that even India can make mistakes like other countries.

    Know that Indian army has to their credit
    years of brutal human rights violation in Kashmir

    Know that majority in Kashmir vally wants to severe from India

    Understand that it is only a small part of J & K i.e the Kashmir Vally that we should be prepared to part with and other areas such as Ladhak and Jammu can still be with India as per the wishes of majority of the people

    The huge money spent in Kashmir and can be utilized in areas they should have been such as reducing poverty, building hospitals, better schools, infrastructure and R & D. This will ensure that a great culture such as ours has a proper face.

    Moreover a country should ensure the right to self determination of the people which can be done through a plebiscite.

    This will lead to peace in the subcontinent

    Write editorials in newspapers on the merit of an independent Kashmir and condemn the Media for hiding facts from its people and our politicians for holding the country to ransom in order to hold on to power

    Understand that the day Politicians see that they will loose votes if Kashmir vally remains part of India, they themself will be in a hurry to part with it.

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  115. @Subbaiah Biddanda

    R U an Indian??????????

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  116. However we should not also forget the suffering undergone by the pundits many of whom are leading a life of poverty in India. They should be rehabilitated back to their homeland in an independent Kashmir if they wish to go back.

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  117. @ Subbaiah Biddanda

    We would welcome the Pundits with open arms and give our blood for them, the only thing they have to do is to denounce India and stand shoulder to shoulder with their Kashmiri brothers.

    Regards

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  118. Subbaiah, I applaud you sir for being a courageous person. You will be chastised as a "dove" or mad liberal but in reality, your position is both honorable and pragmatic. I really believe, a compromise would benefit India the most.

    Someday, we can get together in Srinagar and put this embarassing south-asian ugliness behind us.

    Regards.

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  119. subbiah bidanda what u have written is absolutely free of any bias. if there are politicians like u definitely there will be no hatred between people of india & kashmir.

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  120. @All
    we are all in agreement and 110% believe Kashmiri freedom struggle is just, no doubt about that. but what are the steps kashmiris will have to take in achieving total freedom from indian occupation.
    Would like Kashmiris to answer the above...and rest can give suggestions.

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  121. @ All Kashmiris,

    The first thing to do is organize ourselves into a single unit with competent people handling different posts like Media, public relations and legal aspects of our struggle.

    As I see it today we are a dysfunctional group with a common goal. We have infighting, a hundred different groups cause everyone wants to be the leader.

    In my humble opinion we should all fall behind one leader and streamline our struggle. The constant bickering between different factions have to stop n of course we need to focus on UN resolutions with active participation of Kashmiris cause last time it was the Pakistanis n the Indians who were talking about US AT THE UN....WE NEED TO REPRESENT US!!!

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  122. Just a few days back I was against separation of Kashmir. It is only after I read this blog and most importantly the comments posted here and some other websites such as Human rights watch, that I learnt a different pic about the problem in Kashmir. Then I started reading a lot of info about Kashmir from other non biased sources and finally got convinced that Kashmir is better off independent and it was not a one shot process. Most Indians will have the same problem and is not easy to change the mindset that has been built over years. For somebody who thinks that it is ONLY the militants who have killed around 70,000 + people and the army is sincerely protecting the people of Kashmir (could be partly true also). If you tell them suddenly that their Army has killed that much number of innocent people. Will they believe? They will just say F***K **F. To counter this we need an information revolution. Even if 40% of the literate Indians are convinced that there is a genuine issue here it will make the task of politicians a lot easier in resolving the dispute. Otherwise they will always fear a blacklash from the people and right wing organizations. Until then they may just keep buying time like telling Pakistan to stop militancy first and then start talking etc. On the contary they should fear a blacklash atleast from some people who are their votebank, if they DONT resolve the dispute.

    If possible a dedicated News channel of your own (Hindi and English) to communicate across the country the FACTS. It can be a regular 24/7 news channel even a small time competitor to the likes of Aaj Tak or NDTV. It need not only focus on Kashmir to avoid being dubbed a separatist channel. But when it talks about Kashmir it should open the eyes of people.

    Now there is also a question of funds. As far as I know there is money flowing from sympathizers to even radical organizations so I dont see a reason why it would not flow to an organization which wants to achieve the same objective in a peaceful way.

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  123. a competitive news channel displaying facts about Kashmir is not a bad idea but bear in mind that a lot of local Kashmiri channels that tried to broadcast even locally about what is happening in Kashmir were stripped of their broadcast licenses...so its not that easy. If the channel is started somewhere outside the region, the Indians will block it completely like how they blocked Pakistan channels from streaming live.

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  124. Hey i dont think the geninune demands of kashmiri independence will be heeded by both india or pakistan. We will ahve to find a solution either by accepting the present borders as the international border. Then both the countries will stop interfering in others business and kashmiries will be free from this oppression.

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  125. And one more small country means one more banana republic. I think in todays world when the world is coming closer its sad that people are moving apart.

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  126. Alright so the new SD's post is the reason I hate these guys. So pretentious and full of shit.

    "Another banana republic"... Everyone in South Asia is presumed to be a banana republic except serene and tranquil India.

    News flash jerk-off, India is federation of banana republics! worry about your neighbors later.

    There there is the lie... Pakistan won't let Kashmir be indpendent. Pakistan is oppressing the kashmiris!

    Lies not worthy of a response.

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  127. @ Pak Solidarity

    HERE WE GO AGAIN....

    There are more than 1.3 billion Indians, imagine convincing even a quarter of that population that they r wrong about how they perceive the Kashmir equation......will take a loooooooooooooooooooooong time.

    Good luck to us bloggers or think of other novel n workable ways to let them know whats actually happening on the ground n how deceitful their media is.

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  128. After holding a very tireless and series of composite dialogue by India and Pakistan. In its Joint Declaration the following Confidence Boring Measure (CBM) will be taken:

    1. As a good will gesture, out of 7hundred thousand stoned Indian Army, among them some petty 35000 made in India stone will be called back from one occupying place and stoned in another place.

    2. Memorandum by chamalgati kay choor reserve police force (CRPF) and Gaza Pati of Muisuma (GPM) have agreed of restraining hoisting tricolor in Ganta Ghar in Lal Chowk, instead GPM have suggested to erect a stone tower in memory of stones died during stoning.

    3. Stone pelt boys will be taken for an educational tour of Indian slums to stone them unto death as a poverty elevation measure.

    4. Imaginary Gala Party Dinner hosted by International call centres in the midst of night when all restaurants remain closed. Precious marble stones from Agra have been given to stone their shutters as a mark of protest eventually forcing them to provide 24x7 services.

    5. Kashmir Stone Pelters Association (KSPA) has received a whopping 01 billion dollar mega project contract to manufacture the sharp edged stone for a long-term policy to combat the menace of infiltration of those who illegally occupied Kashmir since 1947.

    6. A unique stone hour will be celebrated around the globe to cut stone terror emission. New York and New Delhi will be most stoned in honour of waging the war against stone.

    7. The Indian Stone Parliament had unanimously passed resolution in its lower and upper stone house. The main 20 big political parties i.e., Stone Bharat Party and Congress of Stones along with Right and Left stone wing that Kashmir is a Crown of India Full Of Stones.

    8. Stone Employment Board will achieve 100% employment generation in the seventh birth of Maruya period of anti-christ.

    9. Finally the Stone Democrats of USA have sent their troops around the world to occupy rich stockpile of world precious stones. It is said that instead of drones USA will drop environmental friendly stones against No West Friendly Province (NWFP) bordering Afghanistan.

    10. Divisional Commissioner of Stones has imposed Stone 144 under Indian Stone Penal Code Act. People are forbidden to carry 4 stones each. Anyone who violates the law will be dealt with stone hand with severe punishment minimum up to 02 years rigorous imprisonment in stone caged chamber under newly formed law called Public Stone ACT (PSA).


    11. Meantime, Stone Human Rights Commission had condemned this law in violation of stone rights and turned down this act as a mere collision of big stone to a smaller one.

    12. Moreover, in its 24hundred thousand Foreign Stone talks between two archrival of newly stone made neighbours. India has given a new dossier of 27 new stones consisting of both precious and semi precious stones were handed over to Pakistan to ascertain the discovery and evolution of stoning. However geological stone dept. of Pakistan, have asked for more evidence to prove its geographical location and instead came with a Bloachi made stone.

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  129. please read ;

    20 big political parties = 02 big political parties.

    seventh birth = seventh rebirth of Maurya period of the anti christ year.

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  130. Jai Hind not banana republic

    Hyderabad police were on alert Tuesday as Hindus marked a festival celebrating the birth of the Hindu monkey god Hanuman.

    At least one man died in street battles between Hindu and Muslim mobs during violence triggered by arguments over putting up decorations for a religious festival, Hyderabad Police Superintendent A.K. Khan told AFP.

    He said the victim, a Hindu youth, was stabbed to death on Monday and scores of people had been injured.

    “We have imposed a curfew on parts of the city because we did not want the situation to escalate,” Khan said, adding that the curfew would cover about a third of the city.

    Violence spread over the weekend through the Muslim-dominated “old city” of Hyderabad with crowds pelting stones at each other near the tourist landmark of the Charminar mosque.

    Five smaller mosques and one Hindu temple were slightly damaged, police said, as shops, buses and cars were set on fire.

    Hyderabad city has attracted major investment from global information technology and pharmaceuticals firms, and is a symbol of India's emerging economy.

    But it has also suffered from historically deep communal tension and growing unrest over the proposed division of Andhra Pradesh state into two entities, which has also lead police to impose curfews.

    Frequent strikes and road and rail blockades have caused widespread disruption to business in the last year.

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  131. Abdullah denigrates both pakistan and his own people:

    http://reformistani.wordpress.com/2010/04/01/kashmiris-can-have-extremely-divergent-views/

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  132. Speaking of equitable solutions involving redrawing national boundaries, here is another one that I found on the web:

    http://promiseofreason.com/reorganizing-south-asia-as-it-should-be-introduction/#more-499

    enjoy.

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  133. 1. I thought you stated you were leaving permanently from this blog when you made your dramatic exit.

    2. As for your cute little map. Do you really want to test the region that produced The Ghauris, the Durranis, The Suris, The Lodhis, The Ghaznis? :)

    Welcome back.

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  134. Don't get absuive with me... you paksolidarity shithead..!!!
    I am being practical here.. there is a problem in kashmir, and indian armies presnence there have made the life of your people hell... the best way to improve the situation that you are in now is to drop violance and stop accepting support from pakistan.. naturally indian army wont have any reason to stay back... when you have a peacefull enviornment and still the feeling of seperation is strong enough start a political movement without violance.. coz violence is going to kill the future of your kids.. many of whom have grown up watching ak47s and indian army boots and the atrocities in front of their eyes.. they had nothing but that.. so you are fighting by pawning the future of your kids..!!!

    Who is right and who is wrong is not a question.. but what can be done to improve the quality of life and at the same time continuing the political struggle is the question. Being emotional and unpractical for the cause wont help you guys..!!

    I as an indian, have my own views, i personally dont want to see kashmir seperat from india, and my points are my own.. That doesnt mean that i don't understand there is aproblem.. but being emotional or extremely unpractical dosent help. Only way is to find a logical solution where the three parties involved are happy..!!!

    And i don't worry about my good for nothing but terroism neighbour.. its the kashmirs who have lot to worry because of the them.. as they are the one suffering.. suffering from indian army and suffering from the pakistani side who are sending in people here and training you guys.. to kill..!!!

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  135. And as per my understanding the indian governments intentions about kashmir is good, which can be ascertained by aritcl 371 and more automonous... status that kashmir enjoy than other states.. however the life is hell in kashmir due to violance by terrorists as well as army.... be it for the just cause or the wrong cause.. so only way to go forward would be laying down arms.. else lot of innocent people are gonna die affecting their family and becoming a statistic for anti india elements to show to the world..!!

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  136. And do you think.. if violonce is not there in kashmir.. india can curb the non violent means that you would adopt for freedom.. no one can.. india got it indpendence through non violence and why don't you try that??? or is it that you fear kashmiris will switch over to indian side if there is a peace ful enviornment??????

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  137. I aggree with Anoop. If Pak sponsored terrorists lay arms, The Army atocratics will end too. With regard to Army the immatured soldgers are abusing their powers which is a matter of great regret and shame. Non Voilent protest by lakhs of ppl recently in Kashmir (after Amarnath Yatra) was given a wide coverege in Media in India. If this happens more frequently and for a continued period of time our politiciens will get the message down their Ass and will be forced to Quit. Otherwise the terrorists and their sponsors across the borders will only be doing a great diservice to the Kashmiri people.

    @ Paksolidrity... you are suprisingly a big time fool to call Indians pretensious and filled with shit..... such ppl exist everywhere. India is not like Pak where a cricketier needs to convert to Islam to captain Pakistan. Such a thing will be really absurd here. Atleast the army in Kashmir were much better than what your Army did in Banglasesh both to Hindus and to your fellow Muslims. Butchering 3 million people in broad daylight that too officially sponsored? Had India not opened their Borders during that time to Bengali refugees and not have provided them with food, shelter and Medical care the toll would have been much higher. This action of Pakistan in Bangladesh had International ridicule unlike unfortunately the happenings of the army in Kashmir.

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  138. Just to avoid handing over power to a democraticly elected Bengali party, Pakistan ordered genoside in Bangladesh and the overlying attocracies and Refugee problems for India forced an Indian intervention to create Bangladesh.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_atrocities

    Read the actual facts and dont beleive shit Pakistan media one of which then claimed that only 25,000 innocent people were killed in the Genocide.

    [I am not justifying Kashmir Human rights voilation in any way]

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  139. Just a few comments by an interested overseas observer.

    -- What Jagmohan and the Indian Army have done in Kashmir since 1989 is indefensible, no question. But do you really think if the Valley of Kashmir became independent Pakistan would let it remain so (in reality), after all the sacrifices it has given for it. Aur Kashmiri nikamme namak haraamion ki tarah will turn around and say thanks for all the help, but we will say independent?

    -- Any moral case for azaadi that Kashmir valley could make to the outside world was lost when they drove the Pandits out. In time, Kashmir will come to realise it it better off within the Indian Union, and hopefully the occupation will come to an end.

    -- To the poster above who mentioned Gurdaspur. Gurdaspur was only bare Muslim majority (51%) _if_ you counted the Qadianis as Muslims, and certainly Pakistan hasn't been too keen on that these days.

    Just some food for thought.

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  141. --But do you really think if the Valley of Kashmir became independent Pakistan would let it remain so (in reality), after all the sacrifices it has given for it. Aur Kashmiri nikamme namak haraamion ki tarah will turn around and say thanks for all the help, but we will say independent?

    >> Don't worry about that overseas slumdog with anglicized name. Our relations transcend territorial hegemony.

    -- In time, Kashmir will come to realise it it better off within the Indian Union, and hopefully the occupation will come to an end.

    >> why do you expect/desire a union with "nikamme namak haram" kashmiris?

    -- To the poster above who mentioned Gurdaspur. Gurdaspur was only bare Muslim majority (51%) _if_ you counted the Qadianis as Muslims, and certainly Pakistan hasn't been too keen on that these day

    >> there was no conflict with Qadianis in 1947. You can't pick and choose historic events, take them out of context and then reapply them to suit your needs. Slumdog trickery does not work here.

    >> to the other slumdogs, this blog is not about bangladesh. it is about kashmir. today, bangladesh has better relations with pakistan than inida. LOL. Bangladesh did not renew friendship accord with India in 1997 because of india's hegemony.

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  142. Yeah, thanks for insulting me by assuming I'm an overseas Indian by the way. And who knew you had to have the "right" name to be able to express an opinion? My family was burned out of their homes in East Punjab in 1947 and went to Pakistan to save their skins. Pakistan is my ancestral homeland and I'll always love it (but not necessarily its government or its dastoor). The reason I say that Kashmir staying with India would still be the better option is that look what Pak Army has done to the places it's ruled already. Pakistan hasn't been able to agree on what an "Islamic" state is in fifty years, who is to say they will provide good governance to the Kashmiris? Are we prepared to allow the Kashmiris genuine independence without turning them into our puppet like Talibani Afghanistan? And don't you dare accuse me of partisanship or being a dalkhor baniya or anything to that extent. I've gone to Pannun Kashmir meetings in the United States and told them they were full of it to their faces. What is going on in Kashmir now will eventually abate given time and concerted action, but seceding to set up some "nam-nihad" islami riasat is going to screw them over even more than the Indian occupation in the long run. Just look at PK.

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  143. @ PakSolidarity Saab, I thought you had atleast .001 % of intellect in you...sadly even that is lacking... Instead of accepting your country's mistake in Bangladesh you are playing an escapist role here...and also calling somebody slumdog as if Pakistan is a Switzerland without slums...

    What you did in Bangladesh is like India going and butchering all the people in kashmir who are for freedom... It is like instead of letting a Mirwaiz or Gelaani, a Yousuf, a Chinaar or a Kashmiri Centre roam free... India just kills them and their relatives... How will it look??? That is exactly what you lowly animals did in Bangladesh with official sanction...which the present generation is blissfully unaware...my blood was boiling when I read the above mentioned post in wikipedia... The foolish Kashmiri separatist thinks you are helping them...my foot.. you are helping you self and your own ego and a vengeance against India for dividing Pakistan...

    Once again... India is not a country where a cricketer has to convert to Islam to captain the country...Ridiculous?

    Bengali's were more that half your population then...yet you were not recognizing the language and were forcing them to talk in Urdu.. including your Jinnah... because Bengali was so Indian.... forgetting that even Urdu is Indian and like Hindi is derived from Sanskrit.. with contrast India has recognized 30 languages including Kashmiri. Thank god kashmir is in India... atleast its culture is preserved otherwise they now would have been specialists in Urdu..

    Ha ha ha ha forcing Bengalis to speak in Urdu... how will it be to force a Malayali muslim to speak in Urdu instead of his loved language Malayalam..

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  144. @ Noah, I have one doubt... I dont think that Kashmiri's drove out the Pandits... I think it is the Terrorists who drove out the Pandits... Kashmiri's just failed to protect them like how Modi failed to protect muslims in Gujrat..

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  145. My family was burned out of their homes in East Punjab in 1947 and went to Pakistan to save their skins.

    >> Really? So you escaped a deadly situation in India to seek refuge in Pakistan? Now Pakistan is bad and Kashmiris are Namak Haraam?

    The reason I say that Kashmir staying with India would still be the better option is that look what Pak Army has done to the places it's ruled already.

    >> So you are saying it is Azad Kashmir that is occupied and indian administered kashmir that is free? Maybe Pakistan should send 5 soldiers per citizen in Muzzafarabad to make conditions more "favorable".

    Are we prepared to allow the Kashmiris genuine independence without turning them into our puppet like Talibani Afghanistan?

    >> While India supported the Soviets slaughter 1 million afghans, Pakistan was busy helping liberate afghanistan. Are we supposed to apologize that Indian-supported Northern Alliance is not running the show???

    And don't you dare accuse me of partisanship or being a dalkhor baniya or anything to that extent.

    >> You are a dalkhor baniya


    I've gone to Pannun Kashmir meetings in the United States and told them they were full of it to their faces.

    >> Did they abandon their 60 year old liberation struggle on the shear weight of your machismo charisma?

    What is going on in Kashmir now will eventually abate given time and concerted action, but seceding to set up some "nam-nihad" islami riasat is going to screw them over even more than the Indian occupation in the long run. Just look at PK.

    >> yeah look at PK, there is no comparison with IK. but don't listen to me... Read the Kashmiris on this blog!

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  146. Instead of accepting your country's mistake in Bangladesh you are playing an escapist role here...

    >> Wrong. Pakistan was wrong and rightly humiliated. I am not escapist, you are evasive.

    and also calling somebody slumdog as if Pakistan is a Switzerland without slums...

    >> Kashmiris call you slumdogs. Take it up with them.

    It is like instead of letting a Mirwaiz or Gelaani, a Yousuf, a Chinaar or a Kashmiri Centre roam free... India just kills them and their relatives... How will it look???

    >> That's exactly what is happening. Read Amnesty International.

    The foolish Kashmiri separatist thinks you are helping them...my foot.. you are helping you self and your own ego and a vengeance against India for dividing Pakistan...

    >> We are not bothered by Bangladesh. We welcomed them to OIC in 1974. You are bothered by India being divided into Pakistan, Bangladesh, Azad Kashmir, Northern Areas, Askai Chin, Shaksgam valley.

    Once again... India is not a country where a cricketer has to convert to Islam to captain the country...Ridiculous?

    >> He is not on the team. Why is he still a pious Muslim? Also irrelevant.

    Thank god kashmir is in India... atleast its culture is preserved otherwise they now would have been specialists in Urdu..

    >> I don't know about urdu but there would still be 100,000+ kashmiris living out their natural lives.

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  147. @ Pak solidarity

    Good answers bro,

    These friggin Indian slummies are always so politically correct. They are the supreme reincarnation of their so many vedic Gods actually n thats precisely why they can do no wrong,see no wrong and hear no wrong......THEY ARE BLIND/DEAF/LAME AND SAY WHAT IS RIGHT.

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  148. Chinnar..

    Your comments are of a typical islamic fundementalist... all of india is hinud.. and all hindus are wrong.. and there no one right than allah..!!!

    Go get a life man..!!!! It is because of this mentality you guys have indian dicks in your asses..!!!

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  149. When you say dicks in "asses", do you mean anus or a donkey?

    I want to be sure because bestiality plays an important role in your literature and arts.

    http://www.saintsunit.org/blog/kama_sutra_beats.jpg

    I just want to know if you are angry and threatening us with rape or if you are 'happy' with us and rewarding our donkeys.

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  150. Hahaha... donkeys or kashmirs.. what's the difference as long as the dick is firmly in your anus..!!!

    And i aint say we shall rape you.. i am just saying you are majorliy responsible for the state you are in now with your extrimist views..!!!!

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  151. and ofcourse in a language you understand.

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  152. @ Pak Solidaridy

    your Comment:>> That's exactly what is happening. Read Amnesty International.

    Ans: Stop your lies. I read Amnesty International. You cant compare the autocracies of Kashmir with what happened in Bangladesh. I aggree and am extremely ashamed of the human rights violation in Kashmir. But what ur army did was of a totally different class altogether. It cannot be termed as Human rights violation but everyone (including your then close American ally) termed it as Genocide. (The one with the likes of Hitler)..

    @ Chinaar... with your words you have lost all moral right to say anything if one of us condemn Islam... However I will not do that as I have seen some really GENUINE INDIAN MUSLIM BROTHERS who have written in this blog the strongest of words favoring India. I for one cannot let them down for anything...

    @Pak Solidarity.. your pic is nothing...there are much much more Erotic pic's...

    Hinduism (Sanatana Dharma) started of as a very open religion.. .were sexual activities (of any form) were not to be considered a sin as long as it does not harm anybody and was in some cases encouraged (as a form of expression of love) except for saints as it would be a distraction in attaining the highest path of god..

    However later on due to the influence of Muslim and British rulers (and also some Hindu preachers)...the ancient hinduism became more and more conservative as a result of Islam, Christianity and Modern Hindu Influences...so much so that women in particular and also men are needed to behave like saints sometimes as if they do not have normal feelings...Also the Caste system (Which was initially coined as something similar to Guild system for division of work) was misunderstood by hindus and encouraged by British to further oppress people and maintain class superiority.

    Imagine an uncorrupted Sanatana Dharma in India without ANY form of foreign and conservative Influence...Rewind to 10th Centuary AD where India was the richest country in the world (before a sense of slavery in the minds of the people came in due to foreign rule).. aided with the modern Technology... You would have seen a Heaven on Earth??? I am damn sure of it.. but without the Taj Mahal and one of my favorite dish Biriyani and less proficiency in English like the Chinese..

    Pak Sol.. This Pic is dedicated to you as a gift from India's Ancient Culture...

    http://robertoruiz.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/img_4188.jpg

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  153. @ all so happy and santosh Indians

    First of all I am kinda weak on the religion thingy, In other words I am not a good muslim so your tirade about me being a fanatic is hogwash, BUT YOU MY FRIENDS ARE READY TO BRAND ANYONE WHO SPEAKS AGAINST YOU AS A TERRORIST/FUNDAMENTALIST.......DOES THAT RING A BELL?????????? OR R U STILL AS ALWAYS JUST BLOODY TOO CORRECT N RIGHT.

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  154. Ans: Stop your lies. I read Amnesty International. It cannot be termed as Human rights violation but everyone (including your then close American ally) termed it as Genocide. (The one with the likes of Hitler)..

    >> Typical Indianism. When your original example is refuted, simply change the context of the earlier assertion.

    However I will not do that as I have seen some really GENUINE INDIAN MUSLIM BROTHERS who have written in this blog the strongest of words favoring India.

    >> Kashmiris don't care. Ehsan Jafri was also a big fan of India.

    @Pak Solidarity.. your pic is nothing...there are much much more Erotic pic's...

    >> Ravaging an animal is not my idea of erotica! Jinnah was right after all. We are two different civilizations.

    Hinduism (Sanatana Dharma) started of as a very open religion.. .were sexual activities (of any form) were not to be considered a sin as long as it does not harm anybod

    >> I don't want to get into religion. I was responding to happy. Nobody asked for a long lecture on why casteism is not discrimination but a "professional guild" or there are really good reasons for mounting a horse. I don't care.

    Pak Sol.. This Pic is dedicated to you as a gift from India's Ancient Culture...

    http://robertoruiz.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/img_4188.jpg

    >> No reason to bring your family album into the argument. That's just wrong.

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  155. Considering what I wrote earlier:
    >
    > The right-wing parties in the rest of the
    > world pale in comparison to your
    > liberal/moderate elites/military of Pakistani
    > Punjabi heartland who rule the country.
    >

    It comes as no suprise what a "modern" Pakistani boy from a "liberal" Pakistani village is capable of doing. Yes I am talking about Faisal Shahzad latest effort in field of IT. No surprise since he is from Pakistan - an IT superpower.

    And by IT offcourse I mean "international terrorism". LOL.

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/04-faisal-shahzad-profile-qs-06

    But don't confuse this Pakistani fanatic with another Faisal (Dr. Shah Faisal) from Srinagar to be exact.

    Apparently this one just topped UPSC exam in India and will now have the pick of choicest assignment within the government.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Dad-killed-by-ultras-doctor-from-Kashmir-tops-IAS/articleshow/5900410.cms

    Hopefully this will make it a bit easier to digest what I wrote before:

    >
    > If you don't give the UPSC exams, I don't
    > know how you expect to get into IAS, IFS,
    > IPS, etc? Here is what the report says for
    > those muslims who give the UPSC exam
    >

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  156. Chinnar..

    We don't treat every who speak against our religion as terrorist. You guys put a religious colour on every thing.. americas war on terror against muslim religion.. indian hindus against muslims.. whole world descriminating against muslim religoin.. a muslim didnt get a job hes against islam.. a muslim is ppor because of his relgion..!!!!! you are the ones who have to have the realty check man.. when you drag and type cast india as hindus.. coz india is not of hindus.. india is because of its hindus muslims christains and parsis and all other religions... Your predjudice was well rwritten all over in your post..

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  157. Pak Sol.. Mounting an animal the right way in my personal opinion is much better than hallal where you kill an animal in the most painful way...here may be the animal also enjoys.. btw Mounting animal is a crime as per Indian law..

    A3... I read both your articles, with regard to Faisal Shahzad it is still not proved that he is guilty.. Even if he is we will never know his motive.. It could be that the terrorists in Pakistan would have held his family hostage and forced him to do the act.. Because of such things that happen I am against death penalty for Kasab as it is obvious that this young boy living in Poverty was brainwashed by the criminals of lakshar who now roam free.. When educated people themself get brainwashed why not Kasab.

    I feel India is a soft state and too good to a fault.. Instead of giving a decent burial as per Islamic rites to the 9 terrorists killed in Mumbai... they should have covered their bodies with dog shit and let it rot and eaten by vultures... not for any sadistic reasons but to send a message across to desist more and more young people from getting brainwashed...

    (I know I am contradicting my self where I support Kasab at the same time say this for people who are killed)

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  158. @Happy,

    Ever wonder why we Kashmiris have hated you Indians for the last 60 odd years or more, There was no Pakistan or Islamic fundamentalism when we started the Quit Kashmir movement against your likes in 1931. Ever wonder why today more than 14 states across India's heartland from Chattisgarh to Karnataka to Maharashtra are engrossed/embroiled in Maoism/Naxalism.

    I WILL TELL YOU WHY? Because you always think that you are RIGHT bloody friggin RIGHT and we are nothing but TERRORIST BASTARDS.....well if that is the case, I agree with you, we are wrong,we are brainwashed and bloody terrorists-ARE YOU HAPPY NOW, MY DEAR HAPPI

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  159. Mounting an animal the right way in my personal opinion is much better than hallal

    >> Alright so I just re-evaluated my moral rolodex and I will take the chicken burger over FUCKING AN ANIMAL !!! and what the hell is the "RIGHT" way to sex up an animal????

    here may be the animal also enjoys..

    >> ALSO ? ALSO ? so this indian takes it as a given that the human would enjoy, he is just not fully sure if that's the case for the animal!!!!!! LOL LOL LOL LOL

    btw Mounting animal is a crime as per Indian law..

    >> In Pakistan, we don't have this law on the books. BECAUSE PEOPLE DONT HAVE SEX WITH ANIMALS HERE.

    - disgusted

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  160. To all the Indians lying about India never getting any aid.. Another dirty lie.

    Aid to India since 1960: 168.3 billion USD
    Aid to Pak since 1960: 59.9 billion USD

    source: OECD

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  161. @A3
    you are back with your tales. Why you Indian Hindus jump in jubilation when some Pakistani is suspected of being a terrorist operative by US. You think now US will come and punish Pakistan for it. And as usual you get a large fat American finger in your ass. No Americans are not headless as you are. They know what they are doing and know how to deal with those terrorists. They cant take leaf out of your Chanakya book and blame pakistani ISI for everything akward except bad weather in their country.
    And by the way if your sister gets fucked, you wont wait for the neighbours sister too to get fucked so that neighbour comes out and fucks the fucker for the fuck which the fucker delivered on your and his own sister.
    You Indians always want US to come out and punish Pakistan. Got no balls in you.
    Shah Faisal is a Kashmiri. He has done a good job in toppiing in UPSC EXAMS of India. Atleast he has shown to Kashmiri Pandits, how intelligent a Kashmiri Muslim is. He has proved Kashmiri Pandits wrong.

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  163. @The kashmir centre.. he have proved that he belives in the indian system.. unlike you people.. who are good for nothing but sending your sisters for the pleasure of militants.. we have recovered lot of nude pictures and of different kashmiri girls from the dead militants.. so don't get morally high here buddy.

    And indians believe in a system.. if we say we wonot talk to maoists or any other terrorists it comes from the fundemental fact that we don't talk to terrorists who have tken the path of violence. If every just man have the right to take up the arms.. then why the fuck do we need a system. You wont understand that fact.. coz your tiny brain can only comprehend three things.. allah.. kashmir.. and criminal indians.. there is nothing beyond these three things you can ever think off..
    Chinnar
    And buddy if you are going to find who is right and who wrong.. then i would say neither you or the indian state would be right..!! so cut the crap and try to get yourslves a life.. and try to own up your life.. by dropping violence.. the guy who topped Civil services understands the fact.. and he is the very few sane people that is left in your valley..!!!

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  164. It's perfectly okay for kashmiris to do well in indian exams. the struggle for liberation has many facets. not everyone has to pick up a gun.

    gandhi believed in non-violence as a form of protest (when he was not busy sleeping with his neice naked having 'involuntary' ejaculate discharges while hitler did the real work of weakening the british empire)

    today we see gandhi's new indian generation having voluntary patriotic ejaculations on keyboard.

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  165. hahaha.. paksolidarity.. why don't you try the non violence.. you get what you give.. if you give us bullets you will get back bullets.. if you give us love.. we give you love back..

    And he have not just passed any indian exam, its civil service exam and is his endorsment of the state. It shows how you guys can excel if you put your heart and souls and brains in the right place.

    And don't think every one blindly follows gandhi.. we accept the rights things did by him and criticse the wrong course of actions he had taken. Thats what you call being practical and reasonable. call spade a spade and not get blinded by hate or love. Love all and progress together.. else.. get fucked up.

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  166. @Happy

    Indians believe in a system.... Biggest Joke I have ever heard. Go get your brain inspected. You are suffering from illusion of greatness. And by the way Naxals butchered another batch of your slumdogs yesterday. You cant talk to Moists because they dont want to. You can only talk to people from Kandhar to get some affulent slummies of yours released. And your puppet Mufti,s daughter must have entertained those guys well in her captivity day.s

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  167. I don't know which jihadist madrassa in Pakistan you got your education from, but just so that you don't sound stupid next time, keep the following in mind:

    >
    > gandhi believed in non-violence as a form of
    > protest
    >

    Gandhi belived in non-cooperation as a form of protest. While non-violence is an ideology that he tried to spread. Obvously your jihadist mindset wouldn't understand either.

    >
    > To all the Indians lying about India never
    > getting any aid.
    >

    Dumb arument based on false assumption of "Indians lying about India "never" getting any aid". Who are you arguing against here? yourself?

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  168. >
    > You Indians always want US to come out and
    > punish Pakistan. Got no balls in you.
    >

    Sorry to dissappoint you, but Pakistan does not come up very high in India's list of priorities. We have better things to do with our balls like growing the economy and reducing the percentage of people living in poverty.

    Pakistan probably doesn't even make it to top 10 of Indian priorities.

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  169. >
    > A3... I read both your articles, with regard
    > to Faisal Shahzad it is still not proved that
    > he is guilty..
    >

    Agreed, but he has already confessed to the crime in a manner that would be admissable in court.

    >
    > It could be that the terrorists in Pakistan
    > would have held his family hostage and forced
    > him to do the act..
    >

    His father was Air Vice Marshal in Pakistani airforce, i.e part of the ruling establishment of Pakistani jihadist military establishment.

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  170. @Happy

    Gandhi, Nehru, Jinnah all traveled on British Passports and got their education from England, many Britishers at that time said the same thing that you are quoting about Shah Faisal i.e. "Get a Life and get moving". My friend hundreds of thousands of Indians played an active role in pushing forward the British policies in the Indian subcontinent. The Indians fought World War 1 and World War 2 as soldiers of the empire. Thousands of Indians worked as civil servants in the British India. Thousands more were transferred to British territories of Kenya, South Africa, British Guyana, Malaysia, Fiji etc.....I don't know how you guys would have got independence had it not been for Hitler or the demise of the Opium trade between Britain and the Chinese (Try reading about how Opium sustained the British empire in the orient).

    Anyways you will still say the same thing that u guys are right and we are wrong but after you have slaughtered more than a 120,000 Kashmiris in cold blood...your arguments are kinda weak.

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  171. A3,


    I love how my madrassa education on Gandhi's perversion and hitler's impact on indian independence was completely ignored but terminology was contested!

    using your superior education at RSS Slumdog Institute of Higher Barking, please provide proper term for : Peaceful Kashmiri Protesters killed by Indian soldiers.

    Perpaps the SD army was "delivering metal projectiles to dissuade kashmiri noise-pollution"

    You grow your economy with your balls? you are referring to India's sex industry. Yes it far ahead of pakistan AND the world, second only to Thailand.

    what is the correct term for gandhi's perversion -- Non-Cooperative Ejaculation on Niece? or Non-Voluntary Ejaculation on Niece.

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  172. bechara santosh mishra to bhag gaya. i was a little rough on him and his donkey fetish.

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  173. @kashmir centre

    while i check my brain.. kindly read some news papers or watch some news channels so that you are updated on current affairs. well if you don't believe in that(that is indian media) and you realy believe your local mullah for your most trust worthy news.. i can't say anyting can i.

    India didnt talk and responded negatively to the talk offer by the maoists and REQUESTED them to laid down arms for talks.

    We are in talks with nagaland seperatists only after they agreed on a ceasefire.. so just try to update your brain with some current affiars or perceptions from the other side..

    @chinnar.. gandhi and faizal.. both have one thing in common, they are both patriotic indians.. that is evident from the fact that his father was killed when he refused to shelter militants.. and then you talk about kashmir freedom.. Your freedom struggle lost its integrity the day when you started taking support from pakistan.. when the day you throwed out pandits from the valley the day when the true secular character and the nature of your freedom struggle and of the valley was turned into a religious one.

    So while you wait for the next hitler to come to weaken india. You guys can continue to ejaculate(in your term) your frustrations here.:)

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  174. And its very sad that 120000 thousand kashmiris have been dead. but its not india only that is responsible. You guys and pakistan are equally responsible. so if you are trying to gain moral high ground and dwell in the past. it aint going to do any good. More of your people and our people will be killed again and again. If you want peace let go of violence and do something like Mr.fasal did, it will be good for you, kashmir and india.

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  175. @ Pak Sol... I could no reply as I had gone on a trip

    Why do you say I have a Donkey Fetish... Did I ever state that... I myself would puke...I am just trying to be as open as possible on some human made pseudo-morality like Sex that does not in any way harm others (Unless it is considered a harm by society)...I was an intellectual debate and I was expecting a counter argument (if any)as to why u think otherwise (Animals apart)... but you are busy making fun like college kids..

    Dont insult a great man..Gandhi's non violence was a main reason if not the only reason for freedom.. His was a spiritual experiment with his neece and was done openly taking everybody into confidence...even if otherwise let us think he had a relation... i dont see any wrong if was done voluntarily and not directly or indirectly not allowed another person to suffer...

    Pakistan has no law about Animal sex because the law is not elaborate enough and may come under the category of unnatural sex .. it is a lot of Pakistanis I have so often seen who try to twist everything into their convenient advantage...and you call us elusive or evasive..

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  176. Happy,

    Kashmiris are not Indians. We are different. we even look different.

    ordinary Pakistanis & Kashmiris
    http://omarulhaq.wordpress.com/2009/09/24/chup/
    http://www.kashmir-tours.net/Images/People.jpg
    http://blog.travel-culture.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/pakistan-sir-lanka.jpg


    ordinary Indians.
    http://health.usi.edu/faculty/India/India%20Family.jpg
    http://www.heavensfamilymedia.org/updates/images/06_12_08.jpg
    http://img.youtube.com/vi/EX7e7p-KBUU/0.jpg


    case closed. bye.

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  177. to indians, uncontrolled sexuality is pseudo-morality. Gandhi firing ejaculate at his own niece is spirituality. Once again, Thank you Jinnah.

    I have crushed you in every debate. I have rendered your arguments impotent. There is nothing left but to ridicule you. There is nothing to debate. Kashmiris and Pakistanis want you Indians to BACK THE FUCK UP from our lands. My elders said this to your elders and my descendants will say this to your descendants.

    Our dedication to freedom will outlast your lust for hegemony.

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  178. can you tell me whether a black american looks anything similar to white american??? so don't give that shit. And yes one thing i can agree with you, thank you jinnah for taking away all those extrimists from my country.. we still have some hindu and muslim extrimists left here you can taken them tooo..!!! :)

    And i don't under stand what the fuck did you crush?? you have nothing but a stupid always a victim mentality..!! Come out of it man, be a fighter and try to make a life. Any ways if you are choosing to ejaculate your frustrations all the best man.. it will do you no good and you would continue to live in stone age..!!

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  179. @ Happy,

    Now that you have started comparing Faisal with Gandhi, u surely have gone bonkers mate, When Gandhi got his British passport to travel to England to study Law or Nehru for that matter, they swore allegiance to the Empire/Queen n thats how they were given a British Passport to travel and enter South Africa/UK. We love people like Faisal whose parents were most likely killed by armed renegades supported by the Indian army(Although AFSPA prevents investigations from being conducted 0n slummies) Faisal will be one of those Kashmiris who will help us and our Government to function smoothly once the occupying/Colonising Indians leave Kashmir.Before Faisal we have had other IAS Kashmiris who continue to hold various posts in Kashmiri administration. He has probably made it to the headlines because he stood first and therefore has laid the foundations for more Kashmiris to learn administrative policies just like Babus learned it from the British in colonial India.

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  180. @ Happy,

    You say we lost our struggle when we accepted support from Pakistan, MY FRIEND HEAR THIS LOUD AND CLEAR-PAKISTANIS ARE OUR BROTHERS, IF IT WASN'T FOR THEM AND THE BLOOD THEY HAVE SHED FOR US, YOU GUYS WOULD'VE WIPED OUT US KASHMIRIS FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH A LONG TIME AGO. I MEAN YOUR ARMY AND ITS HENCHMEN(RENEGADE MILITANTS LIKE IKHWANIS) have slaughtered more than a 120,000 Kashmiris mostly civilians in cold blood and yet you talk of a moral high ground. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. THERE ARE MORE THAN 9000 registered cases of rape against the Indian army n yet not even a single army man has been convicted, more than 10,000 civilians have disappeared and there are thousands of MASS GRAVES which amnesty international/human rights watch/European parliament have condemned and asked India for access all over Kashmir(Duly denied) and yet you think that because Faisal passed your stupid exam all Kashmiris should forget your slum dog occupation. Are u mad?????? I mean u blame us for throwing out the pandits n yet Pandits acted according to how your army wanted it, they sent them trucks to vacate. If we are so brutal then why is that that thousands of Pandits who did not leave continue to live amongst us just like we do, If we are so cruel then why do lakhs of Sikhs still live with us despite your army killing dozens of them at Chattisinghpora.

    You Indians live in a state of UTOPIA, come out of it guys, we Kashmiris are tired of explaining it to u that we don't wanna live with u. We will be your good neighbours but can never accept ourselves as a part of your union.

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  181. >
    > Gandhi, Nehru, Jinnah all traveled on British > Passports and got their education from
    > England, many Britishers at that time said
    > the same thing that you are quoting about
    > Shah Faisal i.e. "Get a Life and get moving".
    >

    "British Indian Empire Passport", not the "British Passport". Holders of "British Indian Empire Passport" had significantly lesser rights and significantly more restrictions (i.e inferior) than holder of "British Passport".

    >
    > My friend hundreds of thousands of Indians
    > played an active role in pushing forward the
    > British policies in the Indian subcontinent.
    >

    There were millions more who demanded equal rights and ultimately freedom because the British did not want Indians to have the same rights as themselves.

    >
    > I don't know how you guys would have
    > got independence had it not been for Hitler
    > or the demise of the Opium trade between
    > Britain and the Chinese
    >

    Through a non-violent movement? Does that ring a bell?

    >
    > Anyways you will still say the same thing
    > that u guys are right and we are wrong
    >

    More like "misguided" by a morally bankrupt and criminal country (i.e Pakistan) which is trying to legitimize its failed existence by hijacking and carrying out violence in the name of Islam. So continue presenting revisionist histories, and character assassinating leaders of the independence movement (Gandhi) in the hope that your gutter jihadist ideology would gain some legitimacy.

    Here is what I wrote earlier:

    > I don't blame the Kashmiri people. The
    > problem is that this is a Sunni Muslim
    > population center right next to a Sunni
    > Muslim country that hates India. Obviously
    > some of the Pakistani hatred had to seep in
    > and off course, Pakistan has taken full
    > advantage of POK in doing so.
    >
    > Take Sikkim for example, a Buddhist area
    > right next to Tibet. If the Tibetian
    > establishment would have hated India as much
    > as Pakistani establishment hates India, the
    > same thing would have happened in Sikkim.
    >

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  182. All the morality in the world is India's monopoly. This is your morality:

    * India swallowed Junagarh on the basis of hindu majority against the wishes of the nawab
    * India swallowed Hyderabad on the basis of hindu majority against the wishes of the nizam
    * India conveniently swallowed Kashmir on the basis of the maharaja ‘wishes’ irrespective of the muslim majority’s wishes
    * India swallowed the princely state of Bantva-Manavadar and it 26 muslim villages.
    * India overran Goa 4,000 Portugese outpost with 30,000 soldiers
    * India annexed Sikkhim
    * India has always supported “Baluchistan liberation army” and related terror outfits
    * India rampaged through the sacred sikh golden temple, murdered sikh followers and humiliated its followers
    * India's 'secular' government watched while hindu terrorists destroyed Babri Masjid
    * India committed a state-sponsored pogrom in gujrat murdering 2000+ muslims including Ehsan Jafri -- arms chopped and then lit on fire.
    * India sent her military to sri lanka and massacred both the Sinhalese and the Tamils in velvettiturai and trincomalee
    * India armed and supported Mukhti Bahini
    * India invaded peaceful Siachen Glacier
    * India started the south asian nuclear arms race
    * India swallowed Minicoy Islands
    * India current concerns for Afghanistan are so genuine that it supported the illegal, immoral and brutal Soviet invasion. The entire free world protested while the India 'non-aligned' 'democracy' supported the wholesale murder of 2 million Afghans.
    * India supported the Northern Alliance against the Pashtuns majority but condemns Pakistan for interference
    * India started the nuclear provocation by testing nuclear weapons on Pakistan’s border
    * India has slaughtered 100,000 civilians in Kashmir
    * India financed anti-Pakistan Northern Alliance
    * India continues to stall resolutions with Bangladesh over river boundaries, hundreds of enclaves.
    * India border forces have killed hundreds of Bangladeshi border guards.
    * India continues to fence the disputed borders with Bangladesh regardless of the Bangladeshi protests.
    * India maintains contested boundary sections with Nepal including 400 sq. km over the Kalapani River.
    * India continues to stall negotiations on disputed territory in Sir Creek with Pakistan
    * India continues to support the Dalai Lama and instigate the Chinese
    * India has had a war with China and make bellicose statements about “cold start” wars with both China and Pakistan
    * India respected the McMahon line against China but disagreed with the Durand Line against Pakistan
    * India maintains an army 0f 700,000 soldiers 5 for each civilian in the Kashmiri valley.
    * India arrested the PRIME MINISTER of Kashmir in 1953
    * India abolished Kashmir’s sadre-riyasat.
    * India rejected UN proposals to keep 16000 troops until plebiscite is held.
    * Indian forces have raped 9000 women in Kashmir
    * India imposed an economic blockade on land-locked Nepal in 1989
    * India has encroached on Nepali land on multiple occassions
    * India overtly and covertly supported the insurgency against the state by LTTE, a nationalist Tamil group in the northern Jaffna region of this small island country of Sri Lanka, which kept it politically and economically destabilised for decades
    * India interferes with Nepals internal affairs much to the latter’s discontent
    * India murders millions of innocent, helpless female infants
    * India supresses a 150 million of its OWN citizen with the world most vicious form of discrimination: castism

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  183. Kashmiri bhaiyoh ko mubarak ho Slumdogs ICC semi-final may nah ah sukay.

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  184. Kashmiri bhaiyoh ko mubarak ho, Pakistan (failed-state) semi-final may ah gaya. Hope this brings a momentary smile to our brothers and sisters on both sides of the Kashmiri LOC.

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  185. kashmiri bhaiyoh ko mubarak ho.. slum-kuttay were outdone by slum-kuttiah!!!! lol.

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  186. All I said was gandhi ejaculated on his own neice and other women as some sort of spiritual test.

    Since when did fact become character assassination?

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  187. >
    > gandhi ejaculated on his own neice and other
    > women
    >

    false statement.

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  188. @chinnar.. You have the example of 1000 of pandits and thousands of sikhs which you boast off.. the same conditions can be applied to the patriotic indian faisal and other pro indian kashmiris. they can be the true face of kashmir and not some paper tigers who have nightfalls infront of computers.

    Pakistanis are your brothers.. yeah its because of this pakistanis our army is there in kashmir.. its because of this pakistan many innocent lives have been lost.. coz in a situation of insurgency the army will have to shoot to kill especailly when the enmey is faceless. And inturn it is due the presence of this army some renegade elements of our army had committed crimes. You refuse to paint or accept that the whole of kashmiri society or the militants supported by some kashmiris are responsible for the outster of pandits and sikhs in the same lines i refuse to believe that indian army as a whole is the sole responsible person in this conflict..

    And also if it is not of pakistan??? We could have wiped your good for nothing asses long back?????. Gimme a break man...Our intentions are very clear and good, and that is why your state remains your own and not for any one else in india. You have seperate flag special consitituional provisions and subsidies all this is done not by the pressure of your stuipd pakistani brothers.. but because of the indian tolerance and system.

    your view on the very recorded facts in the history itself is twisted...

    All you guys views are absoultely worthless even if the reasons behind your anger is valid.. which is exremely distorted and one sided stupid arguments.. it only shows how brainwashed these kids are by the mullahs... they don't have any alternative perspective.. all are frogs in the well!!
    @Paksolidarity.. continue your ejaculations!! But facts are too far away from the above fictions!!:D

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  189. @ Happy, Pro Indian Faisal may not be the true face of Kashmir as it has been proved by Indian news agencies that overwhelming majority of the Kashmir valley favor Independence and overwelming majority of the rest of J & K favour India. So a plebiscite will see a cessation of the valley from India.

    However my point is the amount of conspiracy theories against India that have contributed to the alienation of the people from India...like for example even though facts state that Faizal's father was shot dead by militants Chinaar believes Indian army or their henchmen are responsible...this is a clear case of believing what you want to believe... some of them have never come to terms that the Terrorists not only have killed Pandits but also thousands of their Muslim brothers in the most barbarous way who refuse them shelter or whom they suspect as being spies.. Out of the 70,000 to 1,20,000 people killed we will never know how many of them were killed by army and how many by terrorists and how many who were killed were real militants or how many were killed by false suspicion and how many innocents were knowingly murdered in cold blood by the Army. It is extremely difficult to be proved in the court...(Imagine a clear cut case like Kasab itself took so long). I aggree Human rights violation is happening but we never know to what extent it is a necessity and to what extent the solders are abusing power...

    @ Pak Sol... you my friend are being very biased when you have given your list.. you are just talking of the biased version you would have heard since your childhood by ppl around u or the Pak media.. I cant dwell on everything but to give some eg:

    Do we just see portugeese from europe occupy our land when there is a clear cut case that they do not belong to the subcontinent...Do we not support the Mukti Bahini when Millions of Bengalis are being slaughtered by Pak army.. Do we not liberate Hyderabad when the Razakars of the Nawab were slaughtering the Hindus and trying to declare a Islamic state out of a Hindu Majority kingdom?

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  190. TYPICAL INDIAN SELF-ADULATION:
    Do we just see portugeese from europe occupy our land when there is a clear cut case that they do not belong to the subcontinent...Do we not support the Mukti Bahini when Millions of Bengalis are being slaughtered by Pak army.. Do we not liberate Hyderabad when the Razakars of the Nawab were slaughtering the Hindus and trying to declare a Islamic state out of a Hindu Majority kingdom?


    INDIAN REALITY:
    (1) Supporting and arming a militant group BEFORE the East Pakistan conflict had become violent is acceptable. (2) However, Pakistan's support of internationally disputed Kashmir even AFTER Indian army atrocities is an unforgivable sin. (3) The Muslim Nizam's declaration of an Islamic state over its majority hindu subjects was SO abhorrent that Hyderabad was invaded by India. (4) So why were these heroics not extended to the majority muslim kashmiris and their SECULAR movement for self-determination? (5) Instead, the Hindu Mahraja's wishes were implemented irrespective of the rebellious majority. A series of legalities were produced that were ultimately denied in all international forums. As a result, Kashmir is still disputed territory according to 150+ countries. (6) On the other hand, Where were the violent Portugese Razakars? No legal documentation required? No conditional composite dialogues dragged for 60 years? Are the army men from South India not as alien to Kashmir as 5th generation Portugese are to Goa? What happened to India's litigous stand and noble preference for diplomacy?? (7) Finally, Where were the razakars in Junagadh? Why was the Nawab's accession to Pakistan not honored? What happened to India's self-declared supreme morality and even-handedness?

    Unlike Mishra, A3 is too well versed in duplicity to so beautifully offer Indian deception and double standards. Each principality was absorbed by one side on the pretext of diametrically opposed arguments and/or logic.

    Who made India (itself an amalgamataion of nations consolidated by the British and conquered by the Musims) the arbitrator of South Asia's destiny?

    Of course it is us biased, madrassah-educated Pakistanis that are the aggressors.

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  191. >
    > gandhi ejaculated on his own neice and other
    > women
    >

    false statement.

    Why don't you clarify the truth for us? Here are my sources from our well-equipped madrassah library and mullah authors:


    1) “Sexual Antics of Gandhi:” An anthology or research based on the books by Gandhi’s grandsons.
    2) “Gandhi’s Girls“:- very comprehensive Time Magazine article with blow by blow details of the exploding news about Gandhi’s indiscretions,
    3) “Was Gandhi a Tantric:” Well researched article on the details of his liaisons.
    4) The works of Tim Watson and G.B. Singh

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  192. Gandhi set up ashrams in which he began his first "experiments" with sex; boys and girls were to bathe and sleep together, chastely, but were punished for any sexual talk.

    The rules did not, however, apply to him. Sushila Nayar, the attractive sister of Gandhi's secretary, also his personal physician, attended Gandhi from girlhood. She used to sleep and bathe with Gandhi. When challenged, he explained how he ensured decency was not offended. "While she is bathing I keep my eyes tightly shut," he said, "I do not know ... whether she bathes naked or with her underwear on. I can tell from the sound that she uses soap."

    As he grew older (and following Kasturba's death) he was to have more women around him and would oblige women to sleep with him whom – according to his segregated ashram rules – were forbidden to sleep with their own husbands. Gandhi would have women in his bed, engaging in his "experiments" which seem to have been, from a reading of his letters, an exercise in strip-tease or other non-contact sexual activity. Much explicit material has been destroyed but tantalising remarks in Gandhi's letters remain such as: "Vina's sleeping with me might be called an accident. All that can be said is that she slept close to me." One might assume, then, that getting into the spirit of the Gandhian experiment meant something more than just sleeping close to him.

    It can't, one imagines, can have helped with the "involuntary discharges" which Gandhi complained of experiencing more frequently since his return to India. He had an almost magical belief in the power of semen

    Meanwhile, it seemed that challenging times required greater efforts of spiritual fortitude, and for that, more attractive women were required: Sushila, who in 1947 was 33, was now due to be supplanted in the bed of the 77-year-old Gandhi by a woman almost half her age. Gandhi called for his 18-year-old grandniece Manu to join him – and sleep with him. "We both may be killed by the Muslims," he told her, "and must put our purity to the ultimate test, so that we know that we are offering the purest of sacrifices, and we should now both start sleeping naked."

    Such behaviour was no part of the accepted practice of bramacharya. He, by now, described his reinvented concept of a brahmachari as: "One who never has any lustful intention, who, by constant attendance upon God, has become proof against conscious or unconscious emissions, who is capable of lying naked with naked women, however beautiful, without being in any manner whatsoever sexually excited ... who is making daily and steady progress towards God and whose every act is done in pursuance of that end and no other." That is, he could do whatever he wished, so long as there was no apparent "lustful intention". He had effectively redefined the concept of chastity to fit his personal practices.

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  193. Gandhi's behaviour was widely discussed and criticised by family members and leading politicians. Some members of his staff resigned, including two editors of his newspaper who left after refusing to print parts of Gandhi's sermons dealing with his sleeping arrangements.

    But Gandhi found a way of regarding the objections as a further reason tocontinue. "If I don't let Manu sleep with me, though I regard it as essential that she should," he announced, "wouldn't that be a sign of weakness in me?"

    Eighteen-year-old Abha, the wife of Gandhi's grandnephew Kanu Gandhi, rejoined Gandhi's entourage in the run-up to independence in 1947 and by the end of August he was sleeping with both Manu and Abha at the same time.

    When he was assassinated in January 1948, it was with Manu and Abha by his side. Despite her having been his constant companion in his last years, family members, tellingly, removed Manu from the scene. Gandhi had written to his son: "I have asked her to write about her sharing the bed with me," but the protectors of his image were eager to eliminate this element of the great leader's life. Devdas, Gandhi's son, accompanied Manu to Delhi station where he took the opportunity of instructing her to keep quiet.

    Questioned in the 1970s, Sushila revealingly placed the elevation of this lifestyle to a brahmacharya experiment was a response to criticism of this behaviour. "Later on, when people started asking questions about his physical contact with women – with Manu, with Abha, with me – the idea of brahmacharya experiments was developed ... in the early days, there was no question of calling this a brahmacharya experiment." It seems that Gandhi lived as he wished, and only when challenged did he turn his own preferences into a cosmic system of rewards and benefits. Like many great men, Gandhi made up the rules as he went along.

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  194. Despite all your verbose commentry, you still haven't backed up your earlier claim. Which one of these sources say "Gandhi ejaculated on his own niece and other women"?

    As for clarifying is concerned, clarify your "madrassa knowledge" yourself instead of asking me to waste my time.

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  195. @ PAK SOLIDARITY

    Bro, no matter how much sense we make, at the end of the day we are either brainwashed Islamic fundamentalists with no brains or inhumane Terrorists.

    Bottomline....we are just being continuously caged and at the moment there's no way out except by involving the international community cause the HUMANE/JUST/RIGHTEOUS/PERFECT/GODLY slummies will never accept their faults.

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  196. Ahhh, Silly me for forgetting about Indian sensibilities when it comes to the convenient application of technicalities.

    She was a grandniece. Apparently, this is less incestuous than niece. This passes as some sort of improvement in your world.

    He did not ejaculate on her but NEAR her naked body while SLEEPING on the same bed as her and some other woman.

    I am eternally apologetic and I retract my statement in its verbatim form.

    The thing I love about Indians is that even a 77 year old pervert sleeping naked with an under-age relative can be sugar-coated into something that is just another "positive" in India's infinite "goodness".

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  197. Brother Chinaar,

    So true. I am just engaging them because ever since Yousuf has gone, nobody is discussing the cause. Besides, it is so much fun bringing the 'righteous' ones back to the reality of the slum.

    Also, I needed something to do before Pak gets thrashed by Australia today...

    Peace Out.

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  199. @ Chinaar, Nobody who understands the Kashmir issue would call you a Islamic Fundamentalist just because you are a separatist...defenetly not a terrorist unless you pick up Guns... but dont bracket Indians as Hindus.. There are countless non-hindus who feel the same way about Kashmir as Hindus do..

    Pak Solidarity.. ultimately you failed to prove that Gandhi Ejaculated. Sir, What do you know about Gandhi? You Pakistanis should be greateful to him. It was Gandhi who went on fast so that India would give a huge sum of money to Pak which they had witheld due to the 1948 war.. It was because of fighting in favour of Pakistan was he was assassinated by a hindu fundamentalist who shot him after touching his feet with respect. He had vowed to stay 6 months in Pak and 6 months in India.

    Sir, what do you know about Gandhi...a Karma Yogi who claimed that he was a Hindu, a Muslim, a Christian and a Sikh. A Gandhi who gave away all wealth to the poor, a true brave man who withstood beatings and bashings both in South Africa and India with the means of Non Violence.

    Gandhi could not be in the side of his father as he overcome with lust for his wife just before his Father's death after which he practiced Celibacy.

    Sir, you will NEVER EVER understand a spiritual experiment of a yogi. Yes it was his mistake as he should have understood there would be millions of people like you (Indians included) who will not understand. It was his one of the many experimentation where a man has to conquer his lust for the pleasure of the senses (Sex, Taste, Smell, Touch, Outer beauty and Wealth)to reach something beyond heaven. You will never understand it sir as Spirituality of an Abrahamic religion or any other religion (Apart from the four Indian religions) do not go to such depths which Indians themself dont understand. I am forced to say this as I am a big fan of Gandhi who is defending him.

    Sir, Gandhi on the day of his death knew he would die (As per conversation with his secretary) just like the many great Masters and Saints of India like Ramakrishna Paramahansa who know that their time in earth has come to an end.

    Sir, Not just India but the entire world respects Gandhi. His birthday is dedicated as the International day of Non Violence. He is an inspiration to many great world leaders and Iam very very sure that Kashmir would not have remained a dispute had Gandhi been Alive for a little more time.

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