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8/24/08

Forced conversion would not sustain a thousand years

I have been quite puzzled with what I have been reading on websites that proclaim to be quite unbiased in thier views and yet they have this underying anti-Islamic tone. For one, they keep lecturing Kashmiris that we should accept the untruth that Kashmiris were forcible converts to Islam. They do not provide any historical account to back such a claim or even any source with a shred of authenticity to it. They want Kashmiris to simply accept the fact that every single one of our ancestors was forcibly converted to Islam, solely for the sake of them mentioning it on their hatefilled websites.

It is an established fact that before the advent of Islam in Kashmir, Hinduism and Buddhism were the main religions practiced here. However, these history-distorters fail to mention about the works of Shah-e-Hamdan, Sheikh Noor-ud-Din Noorani or Mir Shams-ud-Din Iraqi . These learned scholars, who arrived from western asia from the 12th century onwards, preached the teachings of Islam, and Kashmiris voluntarily, and overwhelmingly accepted their message of peace and equality. These scholars did not arrive with a caravan of soldiers or any means to force their views on the Kashmiris of that time. History shows us that these are the facts.

Had it been the case that muslims were forcible converts to Islam, then it would be natural that resentment of Islam would have lingered with Kashmiris just simmering within, waiting for an opportune time to revert back to their old religion and the converts would have left Islam the first chance they were given. As we know from history, these chances were provided to the Kashmiris time and again but we are unaware of any muslims reverting back to Hinduism. In 1857, Ranbir Singh, the Maharaja at the time, commenced an aggressive campaign of prosyletisation, to convert muslims back into the hinduism fold. We know now what a big failure this campaign proved to be. We are unaware of any such mass conversion back to Hinduism in the Kashmir valley.

When the enemy fails to win by conventional means, they resort to these kind of untruths and false propoganda. This just shows their desperation - but history does not lie.

33 comments:

  1. Authorities have finally clamped crackdown on hapless, unarmed, traumatized Kashmiris in a bid to crush their genuine freedom struggle and encourage the violent and rabidly communal hooligans at Jammu. For the past twenty years, JKP, CRPF, BSF and Inian Army has been on a killing spree in Kashmir under the garb of counter-insurgency. They massacared lakhs of our youth labeling them as armed militants. Now the whole world has witnessed that lakhs of unarmed, peaceful Kashmiris have protested on the streets of Kashmir against Indian occupation and high-handedness of its security agencies. Now the govt. is dumbstruck as to what label they should give these lakhs of protestors so as go crush and kill them and once again declare their false victory in the state. As a part of their frustration in the present scenario, they have clamped the harshest ever curfew in the entire valley, arrested top brass as well as second rung separatists and started using brute force against the civilians locked up inside their homes.

    Security forces have not spared even the patients, ambulance drivers, J&K police officials, dead bodies, media personnel and even the injured. They have shamefully unleashed their reign of terror on hapless civilians too by barging into their homes, ransaking their household goods, molesting their womenfolk, beating even the children and hurling their choicest abuses on the inmates. There is no accountability at all. They are not honouring even the curfew passes of media men and para medicos. Eight more youth have fallen prey to the CRPF bullets today in Kashmir while in Jammu these very personnel get beaten up by rioters without any retaliation from them. This is discrimination and human rights violations at its worst. Is their anybody who could come to the rescue of suffering humanity here in Kashmir. Where is the civil society of India and rest of the world. Where are the champions of Human Rights. Nobody seems to be moved while entire kashmir is boiling and bleeding.May Almighty help us in this hour of grief.

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  2. Authorities have finally clamped crackdown on hapless, unarmed, traumatized Kashmiris in a bid to crush their genuine freedom struggle and encourage the violent and rabidly communal hooligans at Jammu. For the past twenty years, JKP, CRPF, BSF and Inian Army has been on a killing spree in Kashmir under the garb of counter-insurgency. They massacared lakhs of our youth labeling them as armed militants. Now the whole world has witnessed that lakhs of unarmed, peaceful Kashmiris have protested on the streets of Kashmir against Indian occupation and high-handedness of its security agencies. Now the govt. is dumbstruck as to what label they should give these lakhs of protestors so as go crush and kill them and once again declare their false victory in the state. As a part of their frustration in the present scenario, they have clamped the harshest ever curfew in the entire valley, arrested top brass as well as second rung separatists and started using brute force against the civilians locked up inside their homes.

    Security forces have not spared even the patients, ambulance drivers, J&K police officials, dead bodies, media personnel and even the injured. They have shamefully unleashed their reign of terror on hapless civilians too by barging into their homes, ransaking their household goods, molesting their womenfolk, beating even the children and hurling their choicest abuses on the inmates. There is no accountability at all. They are not honouring even the curfew passes of media men and para medicos. Eight more youth have fallen prey to the CRPF bullets today in Kashmir while in Jammu these very personnel get beaten up by rioters without any retaliation from them. This is discrimination and human rights violations at its worst. Is their anybody who could come to the rescue of suffering humanity here in Kashmir. Where is the civil society of India and rest of the world. Where are the champions of Human Rights. Nobody seems to be moved while entire kashmir is boiling and bleeding.May Almighty help us in this hour of grief.

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  3. I have written something about the false propaganda of Hindus concerning this subject....Please read it.

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  4. I believe it is unwise to quarrel over various interpretations of history. What was, was. What is, is. I am a kashmiri hindu and find this entire debate senseless. I personally believe that there can be no solution to the kashmir issue as long as the demands of involved people are biased by religious or regionalistic concerns. People just want to live peacefully and happily.

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  5. Its very Ironic to see The Russian parliament(Duma) asking Medvedev to recognize south Ossetia, Abkhazia as an Independent state,denouncing agression of Georgia on 8th of August in which 2000 south Ossetian people were killed.When it comes to Kashmir and Kosovo the same Russia Vetos any move.Our own brothers in pakistan are also watching our massacre opression without doing anything.At least they could have mobilised the UN emergency session to condemm Indias agression.They are busy in electing making a criminal President.Shame on Pakistan.Let no one now harbour any illusion about Pakistan and rely on our own faith and commitment to fight until we get freedom from the occupation of India.Lets pray to God for his help as He never deceives His slaves

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  6. About forcible conversions in Kashmir in the past. After sultan sikander his son great Bud shah ruled Kashmir for fifty years and no body can say he was a Islamic zealot. His weakness and tolerance towards Kashmiri pundits is well known and is well documented in history even by non Muslim historians. I want to ask you a simple question. Religion is a belief in the conscious mind of person. And these matters are in the control of human being .If any things, which are a belief, are forced by pressure. Do you think it will last long? If you go by this logic that people were forced to be converted, no body will accept this belief by heart and whenever they will get a chance they will revert back to old religion. It was new light of brotherhood and equality by which Great Shah e Hamadan(RA) was able to convert Hindus of Kashmir to Islam, please read the condition of people in Kashmir before advent of Islam you will know the truth. It were low caste Hindus--the lowest in hierarchy of caste system who accepted Islam. This is truth. Regarding about demolishing of temples in Kashmir, it has happened and whosoever got a chance and was in power did it. Jamia masjid was turned into a granary and horse stable in Sikh rule for 23 yrs and another masjid the pathter masjid till recent times was also a granary. The great masjid of hasanabad was demolished in Dogra/sikh rule and its stones were used to built stairs of a temple in present day basant bagh .
    Conversions by force cannot long last because it involves a invisible thing that is belief.
    Let those who deny truth. Don’t remain under this illusion that by reading the histories the new generation will revert back to their old religion, let them come out of shell of bigotry. It was not forced conversion but light of Islam which illuminated kashmiris in 14th and 15th century and people changed their religion. Read history you will know the truth. The last Hindu ruler in Kashmir was queen kutarani who was in in fight with her own family members and then Ranchan a Buddhist and from Tibet/ladakh came to Kashmir and occupied it, he married kutarani and wanted to change his religion but the Hindu priests denied his conversion to Hinduism and considered him as an out cast and the famous story goes that he decided to follow the religion the person he will see first next morning .In the next morning he saw the famous Muslim sage Bulbul Shah and he became a Muslim. This has happened many yrs before advent of Great Shah I hamadan and his son in Kashmir.
    Some bigots are claiming atrocities in Muslim rule in Kashmir- why they don’t talk about Sikh and Dogra rule? because they were favored in their rule. Do you know who were court officials of mughal and pathan rulers?kashmiri pundits. In Sikh/Dogra rule tyranny reached to peaks against Kashmiri Muslims. If any body used to kill a Muslim he was fined 1 anna and for kashmiri padith it was 10 rupees. The forced labor, the forced collection of agriculture produce for decades had broken all records of tyranny in human history. For more then 150 yrs the Muslim peasantry of Kashmir had not tasted the rice. A neutral Englishman Mr W Lawrence the settlement commissioner of Kashmir speaks about this in his book the valley of Kashmir and also read what has been the role KPs ancestors in all this mayhem against Muslims. Truth is bitter but I suggest these hypocrites--lets forget past and see the future-- we are in 21st century— now people cant believe in demons, myths and fairytales. Kashmir belongs to its aboriginal people who are now Muslims.

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  7. @koshur: i doubt you would publish this one, in any case, at least if you read its enough...
    it is a well known fact how the muslims invaded india and looted and destroyed the temples, killed hindus, raped the women and tried to destroy the entire culture here, they imposed unfair taxes on hindus, treated them badly...quite simply because islam is opposed to idol worship and hinduism was considered evil. to a conservative muslim, there is simply no other religion that is legitimate and hinduism is its natural enemy. islamisation in kashmir happened very quickly and it is a known fact, according to wikipedia, that pattern of spreading of islam or any religion has always been quick when it is forced and is very slow when it is voluntary, this is a well known sociology theory as well. almost every islamic country has a bloody history and continue to simmer with problems...they are highly intolerant societies as well. does pakistan or saudi arabia have the guts to say they can be secular someday?
    yet, that all has been forgiven and forgotten, india today has a muslim population that is larger than most muslim countries and are living in harmony with hindus. (you might say babri masjid and gujrat, which is regrettable, but there are always black spots in any country, the unwanted right wingers)
    india has done a job no other country could have done, in accomodating every religion and class. we could have been as harsh as an islamic country and asked all the muslims to go to pakistan according to what partition rules dictated and what jinnah wanted.
    so refrain from trying to justify one religion over an another, all religions are the same and equal. and of course, the same goes out to those trying to reason out that you were a hindu before and so your call is illegal and so on too.

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  8. Mr Anonymous read the truth.
    Your claim that there were atrocities against Hindus in Muslim rule doesn’t carry weight .Why? Because they were never following any Islamic system they were just power lusty dynasties, who had used religion for their own sake. But why you are blaming Muslims only because they belong to other religion. What about those many Hindu kings whom in the past had committed atrocities against their own co religionists and had killed hundreds of thousands of Hindus. Read history your eyes will be open –Do you forget in the war of kalinga one lac people were killed by Asoka –whom you claim to be great –all those people were Hindus. There was no Islam then. There are hundreds of wars fought by Hindus among themselves in which millions were decimated. In recent past thousands of Hindus who were asking for freedom- were killed by maharajas of various states who supported British. Don’t blame a religion for atrocities of past. Read history again-- the whole history.

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  9. For your information, during Maharaja Ranbir Singh's time the muslims of Kashmir were ready to convert back to Hinduism, but for the obstinate attitude of Pandits of Banaras, who ruled that they can be taken back only as low cast hindus. Thus, a great opportinity was lost.

    If you have read history then you must know that no mass conversions happen by choice, they are forced by rulers to enforce their religious and cultural writ on his subjects.

    By the way by what relations are the Pakistani your brothers?

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  10. @anonymous

    your argument does not make any sense to me (about the banaras pandit tale). like i was mentioning in my blog, would you care to enlighten us about where you got that information? maybe a page number of a history book, some reliable scholarly paper..etc, etc...[please dont suggest wikipedia]

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  11. …Mr Anonymous ---The story of banaras pundits --what a joke .The people don’t get converted by coercion. You have to agree that there was some enlightenment in Islam which attracted people…don’t get into delusion –what about those Hindus who converted to Sikhism. Buddhism and Christianity .Was this all coercion? The greatest example is of Baba saheb Ambedkar ,who got converted to Buddhism. Just do introspection why people got converted?

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  12. To so called pujaris of Ahimsa
    WHEN FATHER WAS KILLED AND SON WAS SHOT WHO HAD GONE TO FETCH MILK
    WHEN WOMEN WERE SHOT DEAD.
    WHEN BABIES WERE DENIED FOOD.
    WHEN PEACEFULL PROTESTORS WERE SHOT IN THE HEADS.
    WHEN PEOPLE DIED ON ROAD SIDES FOR WANT OF TREATMENT.
    WHEN DOCTORS WERE STOPPED TO GO TO HOSPITALS TO TREAT THE INJURED.
    WHEN DEAD BODIES WERE DENIED FUNERAL.
    WHEN MOSQUES WERE LOCKED.
    WHEN PRESS WAS GAGGED.
    WHEN SEVEN MILLION PEOPLE WERE HELD HOSTAGES IN THEIR HOUSES
    AND DENIED BASICS OF LIFE.
    Then news comes that hundreds of trucks arrived with essentials into the valley of death.

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  13. Then and now

    Year 1827 AD Kashmir is under Sikh rule-Kripa Ram is their governor. A severe earthquake jolts Kashmir, which is followed by cholera; thousands perish .The people are buried without shrouds because cloth is no more. There is everywhere moaning, people are not coming back from graveyards because there is unending arrival of dead bodies. Kripa Ram is fond of partying in Dal lake and to him every thing is alright. He is nicknamed as krip shrion because sound of boat paddles. The Kashmiris are in tyranny, villagers are left with nothing- thousands escape through the passes to plains of Punjab .The killing of Kashmiri Muslim is no crime. The protesters are burnt alive in haystack.
    Year 2008 AD. -180 yrs pass –We are in new world order- democracy, human rights, freedom of speech, freedom of religion and so on are proclaimed as slogans of rulers.
    For three days people of Kashmir are locked in their houses, people who come out are shot dead which includes women. Young kids are denied food. Patients die untreated. Newspapers are banned and people are stopped from praying.
    The rulers are claiming there is no humanitarian crisis and every thing is alright.
    Kripa Rams have reincarnated.

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  14. @then and now

    very good comparison.
    Kripa Ram is reincarnated

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  15. There are dozens of web sites and blogs in the name of Kashmiri pundits who are Spewing venom against kashmiris Muslims so it is need of the hour to answer these allegations .One site claims that Kashmir is land of Kashmiri Pundits and Muslims have no claim on the land .The false claims of genocide and exodus from here is their main point. They are going from place to place and garnering sympathy.
    It is duty of historians ,sociologists and political scientists to answer these fictitious stories. This topic of forced conversion is a good initiation .We have to answer them with Logic and reasoning in no way one should become emotional.
    We have to give historical background of Kashmiri Hindus conversion to Islam and the situation at that time. The false propaganda speaks the ignorance of the hypocrites that they are challenging our basic belief .Our tolerance and respect for other religions is taken as if we our incomplete believers. The so called Kashmiriyat is used to prove that kashmiris profess a different Islam. We acknowledge that Kashmir is a land of Sufis and Pirs and these people had been very peaceful and its effect on people of this land is evident. For centuries we have been living under tyranny yet we lived and respected our tormentors .But our gentleness was considered as our weakness .Now some of the kashmiri pundits have opened the Pandora box . we have to expose their deeds for last five hundred years ,we reserve the right of defence.

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  16. The view from the the other end...

    To me a Kashmiri is just another indian, like me. I had Kashmiris as my tennants for years. I loved the time we had together.

    I enjoyed listening to them converse in Kashmiri during my childhood days. a fascinating language to hear so different, yet musical.

    Reading this blog was sad in many ways.

    We pay our taxes so that that part of the country too gets what ammenties that are required, and a fair amount of money is spent on these, NEGLECTING THE MORE NEEDY DISTRICTS,of (especially north-east)the country. We are not a rich nation by any means and yet the Kashmiri has always come first.

    WE HAVE NEVER QUESTIONED THIS ever.

    We cannot settle in Kashmir,yet Kashmiris are free to buy property and SETTLE ANYWHERE in India.

    Is this fair? We have never thought of this until now this amarnath land issue came up!!

    What angers the rest of the country is that when land for a temporary shelter for a piligrim is requested the Kashmiris say no!!

    This is ......when OUR HARD EARNED TAX PAYERS MONEY IS USED TO PAY FOR HAJ TRIPS. THE HINDUS DO NOT GET ANY SUCH CONCESSIONS.

    NO HINDU HAS YET QUESTIONED THIS.

    but a small step to provide basic needs and a temporary shelter to a piligirm can cause so much anguish?

    Just one last question........ postindependence/dependence on Pakistan where would you take your goods to sell? who are the tourists that will fill your coffers? Not the rest of the world since post 9/11; now unfortunately for all the Muslims and thanks to the zealous fundamentalisits 'muslim country' is a DANGER ZONE. By the way, Pakistanis cannot get visas to many european countries and also to australia and new zealand

    Pakistan is a fragile economy, with a whooping inflation of 24 %and now attacked by the virus of fundamentalism.

    The truth is just this...whatever be the political situation, to whomsoever you align with the bottom line is PEACE and GOODWILL

    You will still need to maintain peacful relations with Jammu and rest of the nation for your requirements and to sell your goods

    Most of the kashmiri goods find their way right down even to south india.

    Post your independence/dependence on Pakistan do you still think rest of India will welcome you??

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  17. We are to be blamed for the mess we are in-- The previous generations (SORRY TO SAY) of Kashmiris were not serious people, they easily believed others-- may be long years of tyranny had effected their political thinking .I as a young boy in 70s has seen all this-when people used to go in to pointless and fruitless discussions and fight with each other and also ask any elderly person about earlier times he will say the same—The political decisions are not taken on personal or myopic considerations .It has exactly happened ,when people believed blindly in their leaders and took them for granted and the leaders were prejudiced and narrow minded .They lacked nationalism and were against each others throat. This has been tragedy of past kashmiri Muslim leadership –they had never shown tolerance to each other. They kept their false ego above peoples interest.
    Today we are reaping for their misdeeds and nation of Kashmir is in turmoil.
    One should not fear from introspection. God doesn’t change destiny of nations unless they are ready for a change.

    August 27, 2008 7:38 PM

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  18. To Mr. anonymous-- Regarding your concerns about Amarnath yatra ---I challenge you to prove me wrong--if for last 150yrs any Kashmiri Muslims had opposed yatra ? It is vicious propaganda against Muslims of Kashmir to label them as anti Hindu –Its simple a case of saving forest land. isn’t it our right? What about-- I ask you and you have to answer me—regarding Narbada saving agitation, saving of Gomukh glacier in uttarachanl .saving of Ram setu., recent land saving agitations in west Bengal and so much more. Because we are Muslims so we become poisonous if we say anything . No body is against providing facilities to yatris but not at the cost of destroying our main source of water .
    Regarding your second point of Hajj subsidies --It is obligatory for only those Muslims to perform hajj –that can afford it-and poor who cannot afford it are exempted .I don’t think any believing Muslim will ask for any monetary assistance for performing hajj—If they are giving any money as subsidy for hajj and that also tax payers money –it is totally wrong. This is used for vote politics only.

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  19. point1. The hindus never asked for any land for the yatra or the piligrims. We were content the way the yatra was. The entire issue was raked by Kashmiri potiticians of the valley.

    point 2: The land was given and taken back by the wily politicians.
    During the agitation the point made (visible in all the TV channels) was "muslim land being given away" with green flags all around. THE ECOLOGISTS WERE NO WHERE AROUND. You may call it misinterpretation or whatever but it was allowed to happen.

    THIS IS THE POISION, PRECISELY, injected.
    And the govt. succummed. This is a powerful strike on the hindu psyche (given the valley's history of extermination and driving the hindus out of the valley), which caused such a huge backlash and if not for the banning of the TV channels broadcasting would have spread to the entire country, in a matter of days,WITHOUT instigation from any political party at that.

    The other land movements occuring in India described like the Narmada bachao andolan ARE NOT RELIGIOUS. NO GREEN FLAGS AND PRO-PAKISTAN FLAGS ARE RAISED.


    The present movement for independence too is also rooted only in religion. It is the Kashmiri muslim wanting the Kashmir for himself.

    It is changed from what started as freedom for Kashmiris, to Kashmir for Muslims, hence the virulent opposition and backlash.

    Haj subsidies continue, and will continue for anyone opposing it will be named anti muslim, racist, anti-secular,or best RSS or VHP ...that is the way in so called secular India.

    Lets hope there is no agitation for this for this will set off a greater communal fire than that started by valley politicians in Jammu.


    ALVIDA

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  20. I dont think the ossetia situation is so hunky dory. I dont know where from you got the number of ossets murdered to be 2000 but there has also been a massive ethnic cleansing of poor gerogian farmers from ossetian villages. Dont under estimate russia. with their new found aggressive president and increasing oil prices, they are busy reconstructing the soviet union. since the situation is afghanistan is getting worse by the day, may be we should let the russians take charge.

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  21. South ossetian President Himself declared on record that the attack by heavy artillery on un armed men women and children has claimed 2000 an plus lives.Same thing was done in 1991 92 when then President of Ossetia declared that Georgia is for Georgians.Then also more than 2000 lives were lost.They were all Ossetians.U are talking about Afghanistan what good Afghanistan is after the invasion on America.It remained peaceful until America poked its nose as it could not see a Muslim nation with Sharia law implemented.Soviet Union was better than America as those people were not racists as americans are.A few days ago they wanted to kill their black candidate for presidential race.Russia was given mandate by UN and C.I.S to enforce peace in 1992 and also Georgia signed peace agreement in Moscow in 1994.Last year Georgia breached the agree ment and attacked and captured Kodori gorge.On 8th Aug.again they had a blood bath in Tsin wali.They crushed old men women and children under tanks.throwed gernades on the hiding people.This was all ethnic cleansing.Russia saved its people and the people of Ossetia .It prevented repetition of the same in Abkhazia.The main acheive ment from this is that american wepons got exposed and its preparation to attack Iran got postponed and Russia destroyed the air defence and attck system of Georgia which was against Iran.

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  22. May be we should ask the polic and the czech about russian occupation since they lived it for years. Now you have seen that in europe it was poland that has criticized russia's move the most vehemently. If this forum is keen, article 370 can be removed just for russian buyers, how mr. putin would love that. After having bought up large parts of idyllic goa, he would love to have a ski area.

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  23. my dear muslim convert if it is considered normal for central asian muslims settled in kashmir to side with arabs and central asians what is pandit convert doing withem. answer this fundemental question. islam is arab religion and nobody gives up his religion for t were not well the he sake of advancement. kashmir is about islamic imperalism as islam is an arab religion and we respect the religion of arabs. but how cone kashmiris have adopted arab religion as their own. converted kashmiris of today should accept christanity because most of the advances in this world is due to them

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  24. Well I can do nothing but just laugh at some of the comments of people supporting the fact that Muslims forced conversions in india and kashmir.I f we have a look at history you will realise that Muslims ruled india for near about 800 years(more or less). Right than there are around 20% muslims in india where as there are more than 70% Hindus. Now imagine muslims in rule,800 years,and when i say rule i dont mean democracy,a king could do what he wants. 800 years God thats long.In a kings rule 8 years would be enough.
    One might argue that some hindus resisted,but 20% vs 73%, doesnt make sense. Thre history that is documented against the muslim rulers doesnt seem to match with facts.
    Well I dont to force anyone to believe that we are muslims by choice,but I just want some sensible people to think about what I said.
    If they still dont believe me,lets do onething,choose any state of india,let a muslim dictator(just a muslim by name not necesarily a fundamentalist)rule it for 8 years.Lets see how many hindus can survive.
    For that matter even if a hindu was to force not even a single muslim would be left.
    Rest about history,history keeps changing depending on time,depending on interpretations,on who writes it,who reads it,who translates etc.Bhagat singh was (and is)a terrorist in the books of Britishers and was hung for his crime,but the same person,same deeds,same man is a freedom fighter,a God father for Indians.When kashmir is free from India some day by the grace of almighty you will see how histury will take a you turn.

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    1. I am late entrant!
      So, you are saying that conversion to Islam was not forced in India. It was due to caste atrocities in India. The truth is that it was mixed.
      Why is that in Kashmir valley 95% are muslims, while in UP now, the percentage is just 20% When both of these areas were rules by muslims for about same time. Most likely as we read in some versions of history as well, almost all of the conversion in Kashmir were done by brutal force whereas in Bengal almost all of it was done because of caste atrocities by upper cast. Kashmir is one end of this spectrum and Bengal is another end. Rest of the subcontinent lies in between. In Kashmir, hindu caste system was most tolerant, Hindu civilization and culture was at best in India. Without brutal force Islam did not have a chance in Kashmir.

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  25. A 24-year-old British tourist was today found murdered–inside a houseboat in the Dal Lake here, police said.Sara Elizabeth was found in a pool of blood inside her room in the houseboat this morning,

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  26. To prashant. I know all about Hinduism and Islam in India EXactly how it spread to each village FYI. It was the scholars that went to each town the amount of knowledge they passed which Hindus happily engaged in and accepted. Why Kashmir. Because Kashmirus are read Real Hindus and knowledgeable Hindus Know read again Prashsnt that in the Hindu religious books. Our Hinduism tells and prophecies about Prophet Muhammad and how we Hindus must follow this. You and the masses of dillusionsl uneducated and or just jealous inhabitants of India. Are jealous of other Induans that have faith and Gid. Do you non Muslim Indians are really just jealous of other Induans that have peace the real truth about god faith religion snd you out of jealousy don't want other Indians who you are not closely related to well you don't want them too succeed in life so in other words Prashsnt and so called Hindus are hating Muslim real Hindustani Induans because you anti god anti Muslim so called Induans are really the devils followers and or worshippers. You are jealous crazy lunatics who are just evil Inhumane most violent scum Hindus have raped and killed more Hindustanis than anyone. Why you are jealous of other communities their land their beauty their faith in Zgod almighty. Dont worry your time to go and burn in hell will be forever. Thus life is only once for around a hundred years and this life Zprashant is simply to test you. And you Prashant And haters idiots and killers of Douth Asian. Muslims well you're are failed test in life and will be the loosers in the here after. You will be most humiliated on judgement day. No Allah will not be merciful to haters rapists murderers like you the Hindu army your war waging leaders power hungry thieves snd the product of Zionist and western cruel devils.

    At least we believe in proof and that is Allah and all the real Islam. The true and real religion of hindustan and for true patriotic Indisns. Iskam is a protective humane pro education Leo culture pro good way of life. Get it looser of the life test mr Prashant the Hindu. A man with zero guidance and no Gods religion.

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    1. I disagree with your assessment of Hindus. If fact all living in India are Hindus irrespective of the religion they follow. Hinduism has diverse religious practices and beliefs. Like Arya Samajis do not worship idols whereas Sanatanis do. HInduism is the cultural heritage which is thousands of years old. All eastern religions originated in India - Buddhism, Sikhhism, Jainism etc. and their cultural and spiritual ethos is same.
      Whereas Islam , an Arabic religion based in Arabic culture - of violence, debauchery, barbaric cruelty came to India by sword. In fact spread of Islam all over the world has been by sword only. The whole of Iran was subjugated and converted within 15 years, likewise Egypt in ten years etc. Indian history of Islamic invasion is most bloody and barbaric history in world history.
      Islamic Jihad as per Quran exhorts its followers to go and kill non-Muslims, enslave their women, and share them as war booty. ISIS, Boko Haram, Al Shabab are following Islam to the hilt. Abu Bakr Al Bagdadi is Islamic scholar- you cannot accuse him of not following Islam. You are being kept away from truth and are being fed lies. Conversions in India were done in the same manner as being done by ISIS. You can read `Islamic Jihad` by M.A.Khan - it is available free online. An Indian Muslim who did in-depth study of Islamic sources of history and of course religious scriptures of Islam, including Islam. After 9/11 attack, he could not believe Islam sponsors terrorism. So he set about to know the truth.
      Your response is of an uninformed emotional fool. You should get out of it and try to know truth.

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    2. Why you people talking about judgemental day..i dont think anyone will survive till last the day of world. No merci needed from anyone. Yes but i am answerable to god after my death. He won't ask were you Muslim or hindu. He will ask..tell me about your good deed which helped my other human and animal children. My temple and kabba visit won't be counted as good deed. Hence doing good karma is enough. Islam will lead to paradise. But what we will do in paradise. We need moksha from all attraction and wishes. Cant we create paradise in world. Don't be fool in fool paradise. do you think Gandhi,Anna hajare won't get paradise

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  27. Muslim never ruled throught india in single point of time there was always war with other hindu kings hence Unstable Muslim rule couldnt convert all indian. But wherever the muslim rule was stable they forcefully convert Hindu and buddhist like Bengal,pakistan,Hyderabad,Kashmir, up and bihar.

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  28. My question is all muslim readers please tell me a single Muslim county in the world which is govern by democracy no past history of dictacteur,no inhuman Sharia law is practiced, minorities are safe and their population is increasing....I bet you want find single country like this. Muslim can't tolerate democracy and other religion,Non violence. Hence how muslim ruler in india can tolerate hindu subject. Whenever these muslim ruler found stability in their reign they forced subject to convert or die. Hindu kush is derived as hindu skulls lying. Islam spread by sword. No hindu ruler forced defeated Muslim king to accept hinduism but Muslim ruler did this to hindu kings many time. Today and yesterday also islam is known for violence. My friend please come back to real dharma. Wherein non violence of Budha and karma of krishana and ram stand high.

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  29. Every muslim commenting here should read about the great late Anwar Sheikh. He was a Kashmiri muslim but xonverted back to Hinduism and lived and died few years ago in UK. He has written a book also Islam and Terrorism. Islam is not a peaceful religion now n never was. The Sufism order was a big scam to confuse people n hide the true agenda. Plus Islam came with concepts of keeping multiple wives, triple talaq n these corrupted the minds of men. Just imagine you have a village of 300 people which has 100 children. You kill 200 parents n raise 100 children as Muslims. You end up practically rewriting their history. After 2 generations no one will ever know about those 200 parents who were killed. Top that with Sufi teachings n you have a new whole generation of muslims who think Islam is great!

    Look around the world whats happening when u have technology n media n then think what must have happened hundreds of years ago without all this.

    Dont lock your brains to logic just because you saw your immediate parents that way n want to be like them. I as a hindu believe in Karma n its biting Kashmiris coz of past sins of previous generations who failed to correct n undo this whole scam.

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  30. Every muslim commenting here should read about the great late Anwar Sheikh. He was a Kashmiri muslim but xonverted back to Hinduism and lived and died few years ago in UK. He has written a book also Islam and Terrorism. Islam is not a peaceful religion now n never was. The Sufism order was a big scam to confuse people n hide the true agenda. Plus Islam came with concepts of keeping multiple wives, triple talaq n these corrupted the minds of men. Just imagine you have a village of 300 people which has 100 children. You kill 200 parents n raise 100 children as Muslims. You end up practically rewriting their history. After 2 generations no one will ever know about those 200 parents who were killed. Top that with Sufi teachings n you have a new whole generation of muslims who think Islam is great!

    Look around the world whats happening when u have technology n media n then think what must have happened hundreds of years ago without all this.

    Dont lock your brains to logic just because you saw your immediate parents that way n want to be like them. I as a hindu believe in Karma n its biting Kashmiris coz of past sins of previous generations who failed to correct n undo this whole scam.

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